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A lot like leptons I guess. We do know they exist... somewhere... but that's about it.
Until they need something built.
We've got technicians for that. Everything we design is based on science that's already been published.
Which, I assume, is produced by science fairies or something.
Until they need to do an experiment.
We don't. We already know everything that matters. /s
It's also how the people who have to actually make the things engineers design look at engineers.
(Source: Am a machinist who has to make the things engineers design.)
This is also how engineers look at other engineers (damn engineers, they ruined engineering!)
It's not the engineers fault that another engineer hasn't yet invented a machine that can make what he designed.
For the record, I (an engineer) test my own designs (both installation and performance) and sometimes fab them myself to identify pain points, something I encourage for all engineers.
Not as clever as a machinist when it comes to techniques for manufacturing, but I generally try to avoid the need for such techniques if I can. But sometimes it's necessary.
Yeah well, they can pipe up when their reality shattering edge cases actually start occurring. Until then, good enough is good enough.
To follow this up. Do you need a physicist's opinion?
-Making a watch: No
-Making a watch for space: Yes
-Making fireworks: No
-Making a nuclear bomb: Yes
They're just confused why the engineers' cows aren't spherical and in a frictionless vacuum
And surprised that engineers actually make stuff work..I guess they're not used to that
As someone with a degree in math and a degree in engineering... One of those degrees got me a job.
That being said, that's the way engineers look at managers, as generally they want to build something that works and is safe, but all managers care about is getting it done quickly and under budget, which means any micromanaging gets pushed down to the technician to have to deal with... And trying to argue gets you fired.
One of those degrees got me a job.
You shouldn't have gotten the math one, waste of time.
That being said, that's the way engineers look at managers, as generally they want to build something that works and is safe, but all managers care about is getting it done quickly and under budget, which means any micromanaging gets pushed down to the technician to have to deal with... And trying to argue gets you fired.
So true...
But, I am known to blow up at managers... I got fired and sued for unjust laying off... plus I had some very interesting info some inspectors would like to see... we cut a deal, I got my job back plus months of salaries when I wasn't at work and a 15% raise. No manager ever contradicted me after that 😁.
I don't work there though any more, quit after 4 more years.
usually a math degree is like 1 or 2 classes added onto an engineering degree, which is why its not unheard of for engineering majors to also have a mathematics degree
I know, but still, it's a waste of time IMO.
How so?
Doesn't bring anything to the table, it's just a waste of money and time.
After you hit full time student, the rest of the classes are free, so I filled my schedule way too full. All my favorite teachers were in the math department too. No regrets. That and I ended up using my math skills when I switched to machine learning engineering.
That must have been cathartic as hell.
No such thing here, have to transfer to another faculty within the university at a totally different location, and it's not like a semester or two, like full 2 years of classes... which is why no one does it.
On the other hand, non-doctoral postgraduate was free and only a semester plus from my "masters+" degree (I know, it sounds stupid, but it's how things are here), so I got that.
Mathematicians and physicists are nothing but day dreamers. You might as well of majored in PHILOSOPHY!
Exactly. Engineers are problem solvers.
Well... we sometimes create more problems than solve, but he who works makes mistakes 🤷.
Engineering is like math but LOUDER
Mhm, like math on steroids 👍.
Certainly didn't major in English...
Let's see them actually build an rc car or something simple
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Four wheels and a motor. How much more simple do you want?
Two motors, a battery and a radio receiver minimum
You can do with a single motor. You don't have to power both axles
Don't need a radio receiver either. Plenty of old RC cars were wired.
Source: Grew up poor; all my RC cars were not remote controlled. 😭
Except "RC" literally stands for "remote controlled".
What you had were uncontrolled toy cars.
Is a long wire not remote?
It absolutely is. The first TV remotes were wired to the TV. Source: am old.
Here's an example of a wired cable TV remote. Remote meant you didn't need to get up to change the channel. Or for a car, it means you could walk behind it instead of pushing it manually.
They were certainly controlled. They just weren't radio controlled. C cars instead of RC cars. lol
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The fact y’all are having this conversation proves my point. It’s not self-evident lol. And there’s room for progress & innovation & creativity etc…
Two motors. One to power one to steer.
I had an RC car as a kid that didn’t have steering. When it reversed, it turned left. That was the only directional control you had. I don’t know if it only had one motor, but I imagine it did.
This is how matematicians look at physicists, even!
I think anyone who works with engineers looks at them that way.
- You sure this will hold?
- Yes.
- But you didn't make any calculations...
- I got experience, it'll hold.
- OK, if you say so...
- Might wanna get your will and testament in order... just in case...
Science: hmm 🤔 look at this thing! If you bring enough of uranium together it will start a chain reaction!
Engineering: ok. How much can I handle per minute before dying? Nah, I'm not going to handle it, a tech is going to be doing that! Given your formulas, and using these more stable isotopes, we figured that two rods 30mm by 100mm will be enough to make this device practical. Here are the drawings we reviewed with science guy. He agrees.
Tech: alrighty, I've put it together, fucking engineers forgot to add a door! And my hands slowed a little.
Low ranking officer 💪...this thing is fucking heavy, fucking engineers and look at how I have to move it on this big ass cart so I can fasten it to the aircraft! Almost broke my back aligning the holes to insert the release pin!
President: code is alpha bravo India....some bullshit speech.....God speed. Fucking engineers made this microphone too short and I have to crouch a little while watching this magical picture of the actual plane I'm commanding from 6000 miles away...
Commander officer: he said go! Go! Go! And also fucking engineers for some reason. I'm gonna go do that blonde I met last night.
Pilot: heading 0, 7, 7, 0, throttle up 30%! Release release release! Holy shit fucking engineers.
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We know, we watched TBBT.
Oh I'm sorry, did you want a ride or something? The next bus isn't for another 15 minutes.
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