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Valve takes 30% on every game sold and you don't even own the games. That's sick capitalism in action, yet everybody kisses their ass.
EDIT for the Steam jerkers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r0a7-qyjss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13eiDhuvM6Y
They do provide a good service. There’s no subscription fee. They maintain delisted games so you can download games you bought years ago that are no longer available. Not to mention steam OS and other projects like the steam deck that put pressure on other gaming companies to do better.
This could go up in a cloud of smoke at any point and it likely will as soon as Gabe passes on and the in fighting begins. So this is a “good king” situation and the system itself will not be sustainable long term by any means.
They provide an easy platform for me to buy games so I use them. The steam deck too. Just because they have a competent product, i don't think that justifies any arse kissing. Like you say, they're a company and they're in business to make money.
Yeah, I can see why developers would be unhappy about the 30%. Maybe there's an argument to be made that the platform gives these games a greater potential market but I don't know enough about the business to try making that argument.
Because somehow their competition is even worse
Ah, yes, capitalism. Because they don’t have to pay to maintain servers and infrastructure or anything, right?
Nor do they pay for bandwidth when you download your 100gb game for the nth time in the past month.
Nor do they have a ton of functions and services for both devs and consumers like easy refunds, regional pricing, steam keys, trading cards, steam workshop, steam forums, chatrooms, remote play... just to name some.
Yeah, such moneygrabbing comic book villains that just sit in their pile of money and don't provide anything good.
They are stacking billions. It means they are paying peanuts compared to what they are making.
I read somewhere most of the cost is payment providers, scams, chargebacks and refunds they can't offload onto the publishers.
I like Steam but come on, they are more profitable per employee than Apple. They are clearly not hurting even if I download my games over and over.
And they provide a better service than Apple.
Absolutely. There are iOS apps and games I bought that don’t run anymore and Apple wants us to accept this as normal.
As far as capitalism goes they are not the shittiest of companies out there.
They have predatory tactics with lootboxes on their popular games though.
But most of their practices are not anticonsumer.
And they do not enforce drm and their own drm is a joke, so you can basically own most games if you want with very little effort. Just copy the files and have a generic steam crack around and you are golden for most cases.
Honestly, I'll probally care about this more when someone else tries to make a service remotely close to what steam provides. Hell epic is probally the closest we got and they are in the red AND lacking in function set that steam provides. Steam charges 30% up until 10m and then 25 till 50m then it'd 20% while giving a multitude of extra services the other companies charging similar rates don't, seems fair to me.
some examples:
Looking into it, IGN made a nice picture (2019 though so a little old perhaps) so I'll add that too
Honestly, I pay for the service alone.
Pirating games is easy-ish enough so if Valve ever enshittifies I will be quickly learning how to remove Steam's DRM and put all my games on a server and never purchase another video game in my lifetime.
Yeah. Really wish they were more like gog or itch
I believe this is something to be aware of and if this is something you don't want use GOG instead. But in reality as long as Steam exists you will be able to download and play your games. If Steam ceases to exists then you will not be able to download them, but there will be ways to still play them, if you previously downloaded them. It is not like "owning" movies on Amazon (or just recently on the Playstation Store), where you always need to stream the movies.
I know according to their license if steam ceases to exist you lose everything, but I can't see them ceasing to exist and having it not end up being a bloody mess. There is no way with how large steam is that if they decide to file for closure tomorrow that regulators wouldn't get involved in trying to provide a way that everyone doesn't lose their games. I believe steam has hit the point that banks are where enough people use the platform that if it tried to close government is going to get involved
Of course this is under the understanding that it's a just choose to close situation, if it is a financial issue, I would expect that people would see that coming ahead of time and they would have a longer period of trying to find out a solution. And that solution could very well end up being a court order saying every purchase that's been on Steam has to be able to be played without the steam client when they close the doors
Why would I care about Valve taking a 30% cut when they're the best platform around? You do realise what makes them the best platform, right?
Exactly. Why would you care about anything else than you own selfish little ass? You do realize that you've been brainwashed by capitalism, right?
Brainwashed by capitalism!? Jesus, what world do you live in? XD
Clearly not one where paying for a good service is acceptable.
Good service is not taking 30% of the revenue on projects that took years to developp and create loot system to get kids addicted to gambling. Life must be so easy when you only care abour you and yourself.
Yes it is, if the service is actually... you know... good. Let's see what Valve offers for its 30% cut:
Pro-consumer practices, such as:
Find me any platform or company that does all of these things. But I guess you want everything to be free and handed to you on a silver platter?
Lol, you steam fanboy are the biggest jerker on the Internet. You hate video games, what you want is "convenience" because the only thing you can think of is your ass. Let's be clear, the very second Valve believe it can make more money by selling you buttplugs with Gabe's face it instead of videogame, they will do it. They have less then 100 employees and take 1/3 of revenue from studios with thousand of employees and people like you will make 30 minutes to jerk them while spitting on those who makes the games. Gamers are the stupidest, most easily manipulatable loser on the planet.
Ok, so, read what you just wrote, carefully. And I do mean actually read what you wrote, because I do hope you will realise how much like a parody you sound like.
Lol fuck off "gamer". Any point to make? I'm sure you believe you love music but only listen to it via Spotify lol.
I use to work in sound for videogames (did you ever had an actual job?) but the main reason I've quit his because of people like you who don't give a fuck about actual studios. See what's happening is that most talented people are leaving, the others are laid off and replace by generic AI bullshit that perfectly suits idiotic gamers. Meanwhile there's more money in video game then ever was, but you people are killing the industry because you keep sucking a business that takes a third of the revenu for basically nothing. You suck, capitalism suck, one day steam will fuck you all the ass because it's a soulless business and you will get what you deserve. Now go play something and watch Amongog or whaterver stupid youtuber you lioke.
Sure buddy. Sure. I guess the therapist is on vacation for new year?
Are you even capable to bring one single point or can you only spit stupid things you've read in some youtube comments?
I did make points to someone else. Literally presented as points. Then you suddenly come along and just do nothing but rage like a drunk, depressed comedian and... Well, I'm not even going to put any effort into that. There's just no taking you seriously.
They don't.
That's not unique to Valve.
That's not unique to Valve.
There is no evidence that Valve sells your data. And they wouldn't even need to.
Are you a scammer? Why would you be concerned about them closing your account?
That's a blatant lie.
Same as the selling data point.
Yes, they'll store your data forever if necessary. Because your data is... You know... Evidence of all the things you bought... On their catalogue. That's a service, not a problem.
This is the third time you mention Valve selling data. Then you go on a random tangent... Let me try to dissect that...
Prices increase for games... Except Valve doesn't dictate that, the game's publishers do.
Valve only represents 79 employees... OK? And? So what?
Indie devs financially struggle... Yes, as an artist myself I am very well aware of the struggles any sort of passion project, or ambitious creative work, has. This has nothing to do with Valve.
Most of those points including what you called a blatant lie are directly extracted from their privacy policy. And bad elsewhere never justifiés mediocre here isn't it.
Yes, and I'm pretty sure you're presenting their policy in complete honesty and totally not bending it out of shape to fit your own agenda. There's more than one way to lie. :)
But I digress. Let's hang Valve. Let's hang Valve for all the things they're not responsible for and don't have control over. Let's hang them for all the world's problems. I'm sure that is a very rational thing to do.
Tim Sweeney, is that you?