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[–] fibojoly 20 points 2 days ago

"A-are we the baddies?"

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I can't get inside the head of any of the crazies who go on a rampage and shoot up a school or a house of worship, but it gives me comfort to think that such people now know that if they shoot a CEO instead of a classroom full of children they will be regarded as having made a positive contribution to society. I really hope school shootings will go down after this, and I think they may well.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Its the same reality as before except they realize how close they are to the edge separating the game where they abuse us from the part where they don't get to play the game.

All of us play the game daily...go to work, do some good stuff, come home, eat, sleep. The good stuff. Why do we get so little and they get so much?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

There's a storm coming, Mr. Wayne. You and your friends better batten down the hatches, because when it hits, you're all gonna wonder how you ever thought you could live so large and leave so little for the rest of us.

Selina Kyle

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 days ago (9 children)

US income distribution is on the same level as fucking Russia. Bring back the tax brackets from the 1950's and 60's.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 days ago

“When I was growing up, CEOs didn’t make millions more than everyone else in the company. I think we have to reflect on why there’s so much anger and do something about it.”, said someone who will do absolutely nothing about it.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

"...

We are quoting anonymously those who did respond, to allow them the freedom to give us their most candid answers. These have been edited for length and clarity. Some have previously been reported by Fortune.

**Personal responses to the killing **

— “The disconnect between public perception and personal humanity has been striking, with some commentary bordering on dehumanizing. This highlights the critical need to humanize leadership and address the pressures faced in high-visibility roles.”

— “My challenge is keeping employees engaged. How do you maintain a sense of purpose if you think your customers hate you?”

— “I have to wonder if the demonization of corporate America and the wealthy over the last four years planted a mind virus in the assassin’s mind.”

— “If you walk by the place where it happened, it’s business as usual, which gives me some perspective. This was a random killing by a mentally ill person. Let’s not turn a tragic incident into a trend. Most people don’t hate CEOs. They don’t care about CEOs. They have bigger issues to care about.”

..."

Wow. 'demonization', 'need to humanize leadership'... Are these human people that were interviewed? Did these human persons speak anyone outside their immediate circle in the last three decades? I can hardly believe that, this is so out of touch that these folk may have never been touched by anything in their lives. I wasn't prepared for this speedrun worldrecord to definitively prove total lack of empathy and understanding.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Did these human persons speak anyone outside their immediate circle in the last three decades?

After late 90s and early 00s it seems that this has become rare.

First "speaking outside your immediate circle" has moved into interwebs. Second the interwebs have changed to no longer inconvenience those who don't want to see contradicting worldviews.

Just saying. CEOs are, of course, more isolated than many people. But their delusions are not unique by any measure.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Most people don’t hate CEOs. They don’t care about CEOs. They have bigger issues to care about [that the CEOs created for them to distract them].

In this current discussion, people are trying to open each others eyes about that silent part.

Also: Most people don’t hate CEOs. But we do think CEOs have no right to be making more than a thousand times what an honest working person should make, actually sacrificing lives for their profit. And when that kind of stealing and mass murder is sanctioned by the law, then what are the options?

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The limit of 4 years is what's making me laugh.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 3 days ago (2 children)

If you walk by the place where it happened, it’s business as usual, which gives me some perspective. This was a random killing by a mentally ill person. Let’s not turn a tragic incident into a trend. Most people don’t hate CEOs. They don’t care about CEOs. They have bigger issues to care about

I hope this guy gets it next. How fucking out of touch can you be that you dismiss this as "a mentally ill person doing mentally ill things"? What a fucking loser!

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[–] [email protected] 267 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (34 children)

People are in disbelief that they would be making this kid into a hero,” he told Fortune.

Attending a conference for CEOs in New York this week, just blocks away from the site of the shooting, George found that many were shaken and deeply concerned by the reaction to Thompson’s killing. “They’re having plenty of meetings right now to discuss beefing up security,” he said of the business leaders, even as some question how much security coverage is enough. People are asking themselves, “‘What does that say about our society? Where’s our society going?’” George said.

So they've learned absolutely nothing.

Plenty of meetings to beef up security. How about plenty of meetings to understand how your greed has caused this? They sound one logical leap (that they are unwilling to make) away from understanding exactly what the problem is.

They managed to find one and only one CEO quote that reflected anything resembling self-awareness.

“When I was growing up, CEOs didn’t make millions more than everyone else in the company. I think we have to reflect on why there’s so much anger and do something about it.”

[–] [email protected] 166 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (15 children)

All I can think of is a TED talk I saw where the speaker had given some presentation to a bunch of billionaires and had some q&a, and one of them who had built a bunker for themselves asked him how they could prevent their security team from turning on them in the bunker.

The TED talk guy responded "Be kind to them?"

And the Billionaire said "But where does that end?"

I'll try to find it so I can link it.

EDIT: Found it!

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

— “My challenge is keeping employees engaged. How do you maintain a sense of purpose if you think your customers hate you?”

Your customers DO hate you. It's not just what you think, it's reality.

Maybe rather than trying to maintain a sense of purpose for what you're doing, you should take a step back and question WHAT you're doing, and whether it has any purpose in society at all other than making you money?

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 days ago (4 children)

if you think your customers hate you?”

They were under the impression that the customers didn't hate them? How out of touch are they?

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

"I keep taking more from them and they don't like it?!"

Hate is the cost of squeezing those extra dollars. Extra profit isn't free, they're lowering another game slider for it, and that slider is how much your customers support your actions. They're only still around as a customer because all the other options have been bought out or run out of business.

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[–] jballs 202 points 3 days ago (8 children)

This was a random killing by a mentally ill person. Let’s not turn a tragic incident into a trend. Most people don’t hate CEOs. They don’t care about CEOs. They have bigger issues to care about.

How fucking tone-deaf is this person? The bigger issues that we care about are things like going bankrupt from getting sick or injured. Those issues are directly caused by their CEOs. This wasn't a random killing, which is why people are so happy about it.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 days ago (20 children)

This was at the end of the article Forbes presented me with:

Do you have what it takes to make it to the C-suite? Learn how Fortune 500 CEOs overcame surprising obstacles on the road to the corner office...

I don't want to make it to the C-suite. That sounds awful. I want to help specific people solve problems they have helping other people.

Do other people think like this? Like they want a corner office and a big car? Am I that fucking abnormal that this sounds like a death sentence to me?

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[–] [email protected] 103 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

"Our industry is built around devaluing human life for profit. Why aren't these people valuing our lives?"

It's like a sketch comedy show. They can't be this dumb.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Most people don’t hate CEOs. They don’t care about CEOs. They have bigger issues to care about.

"...and that's a good thing, so we'll see to it that it remains that way. Divide and conquer."

[–] BigDanishGuy 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

That's almost the exact qoute in my clipboard, and pretty much my response.

Let’s not turn a tragic incident into a trend. Most people don’t hate CEOs. They don’t care about CEOs. They have bigger issues to care about.

They will have bigger issues to care about. the quiet part said out loud.

How can you be so oblivious? When you're the biggest issue people have, then you get to act all indignant when people deals with their issues.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

And the bigger issues are to keep a roof over their head and food on the table. Because of said CEOs.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

“I have to wonder if the demonization of corporate America and the wealthy over the last four years planted a mind virus in the assassin’s mind.”

Plot twist: the virus was actually the billionaires

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Bill George, a former Medtronic CEO and executive fellow at Harvard Business School. “People are in disbelief that they would be making this kid into a hero,” he told Fortune.

Which "people"? Who are "they" in this context?

Actually most of those quotes read as completely disconnected from normal people's reality...

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Just wanted to comment on these two.

“I have to wonder if the demonization of corporate America and the wealthy over the last four years planted a mind virus in the assassin’s mind.”

Fuck you! You have the mind virus. A virus which leads you to believe that the rest of us should suffer because you’re better. Eat shit anonymous CEO.

“If you walk by the place where it happened, it’s business as usual, which gives me some perspective. This was a random killing by a mentally ill person. Let’s not turn a tragic incident into a trend. Most people don’t hate CEOs. They don’t care about CEOs. They have bigger issues to care about.”

Then light some candles and put out some flowers you fucking cowardly parasite. Hold a vigil, gather your CEO buddies and sing Kumbaya. Be sure and post the date online so all of the healthcare CEOs know when to be there.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Most people don’t hate CEOs.

The public reaction to this event disagrees with this claim.

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[–] Grandwolf319 108 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (12 children)

Most people don’t hate CEOs.

Uhhh, that actually might not be true.

If you were to do a poll in the US I think you can crack 51%, especially if you phrase it by mentioning that they have a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit regardless of morality.

Edit: just had a thought. Given how much more money they make than the average worker, and that the average worker puts their health at risk by sitting at a desk so much, this might actually make sense in terms of risk/reward structure.

If the ultra wealthy make more than 1000 than me, shouldn’t they take 1000 times more risk of dying (I’m not supporting violence).

[–] [email protected] 56 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why would anybody hate CEOs?

(Btw this is just in the past month)

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[–] jballs 121 points 3 days ago (3 children)

“Journalists look for heroes and villains; life is not that simple. Why is the killer getting 10 times as much press as the person who was killed?”

I agree with the last part of this quote, but probably not in the same way they wanted.

Why aren't we hearing more about the policies the CEO supported that caused so much pain and suffering?

Why did I have to learn about them having double the industry-standard claims denial rate through a meme and not through news articles everywhere?

Why am I not seeing more articles about how much money these people made by denying coverage? Why am I not seeing articles about their political contributions to keep healthcare privatized?

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[–] [email protected] 143 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Here’s an idea, make human life more important than line go up. I’m pretty sure that would get alllllll of your asses off the firing line.

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[–] jballs 87 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well, corporate America is made up of hardworking Americans who do their best to reward the investors, and many times those investors are pension funds

Ah yes, every day I wake up to go to work just to do my best to reward the investors. Not because I need to pay for living expenses, just because I love pleasing the investors.

JFC these people are living in a fantasy world.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)
[–] [email protected] 103 points 3 days ago (2 children)

United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson was fatally shot on Dec. 4, 2024. The public response was generally not sympathetic.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago

"Well, corporate America is made up of hardworking Americans who do their best to reward the investors, and many times those investors are pension funds."

Ah hahaha. The CEO who got $h!tpwn3d was investigated for insider trading. He fucked the shareholders right in the nose.

But even if he hadn't, the investors are mostly the super rich. Giving them more money is in no way respectable or decent, knowing that the money is coming from the rest of us.

But even if shareholder supremacy were admirable, we still don't have it. CEOs who receive company stocks routinely inflate the value so they can sell them. It's 100% legal, and I didn't see any of the anonymous folk speaking out against the practice.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

I'd like to see one of these publications post recipes for CEO stew.

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