MistakeGlittering581 at 2023-07-20 11:02:58+00:00 ID: jsppmng

Freedom of speech.

You are free to be an asshole. Imagine it being illegal to voice your opinion and be who you are in peace... Germany. The world kinda fought you guys over that

mctrollythefirst at 2023-07-20 11:06:44+00:00 ID: jspozu9

Because they can. Its not against the law to do it.

Its not like it was state sponsored and he was forced by the state to do it.

And I dont see why it should be illegal. Religion should never be above law ore the norm.

KARATEKATT1 at 2023-07-20 11:04:51+00:00 ID: jspnyuf

Can someone help me understand how this makes sense?

There's something called freedom of speech in our country.

That means you're allowed to think what you want, and others are allowed to critize it. You may be pissed off by that, but you may not hinder others opinions / views.

And most importantly, the state does not have the right to limit your views.

I do not really see how this is hard to grasp.

and as Muslims are very religious I can imagine it hurts them a lot. Maybe I don’t have the full picture. Thank you!

Do you think it's OK that someone feeling's should decide what others can do?

OK cool. I see you play video games. I think video games are stupid.

Please stop playing video games, it hurts me a lot when you do.

Maybe muslims should stop being so fucking fragile or go live in countries were you're not allowed freedom of thought, expression and will?

Oh right, they don't want to live in those countries because they're garbage - as a result of their non existing freedom(s).

among-the-frogs at 2023-07-20 10:51:26+00:00 ID: jspnrc4

It’s a way to highlight the opposition to the basic right of free speech. Many Swedes thinks the liberal humanist value of free speech is very important, but an increasing group of people think that a silly made up story with no evidence should be able to dictate the speech of others instead.

Keklmao1337 at 2023-07-20 11:09:40+00:00 ID: jspprjf

OP is a bot.

EttLiv at 2023-07-20 10:37:43+00:00 ID: jspocyl

How do you justify eating pork sausage in Germany when it is haram?

Same kind of question.

Traditional-Ad-7722 at 2023-07-20 11:11:04+00:00 ID: jspqi2k

It doesn't need justification. I've been wondering, would a person burning the Bible or the Veda-scriptures in say Iraq be.. fined? Or arrested?

AttTankaRattArStorre at 2023-07-20 10:51:24+00:00 ID: jspnxp5

If muslims get upset it's their problem. The whole point of the burnings is to point out that there is a sizable minority in the country that can be provoked to the extreme by something as mundane as the burning of a stack of papers, and that their potential for violence is cause for concern.

If muslims just... stopped being upset the burnings would end pretty much immediately, but now we instead have a situation where swedish embassies gets burned and thus the whole thing will continue.

Hiioora at 2023-07-20 10:47:21+00:00 ID: jspnkfn

My book(or body etc), my choice, you sir can mind your own damn business.

That's the Swedish way, it's just paper.

What's holy to you is nonsense to me, don't try and force your belief on me please.

Yalori at 2023-07-20 10:43:13+00:00 ID: jspn79h

There's nothing much to it, it's a constitutionally protected right to do be able to do what you want with your property

When you hear announcements of a quran burning, it's not that the government permits this. In fact many politicians have expressed their distate towards the burning, but they're not actually in any position to allow or disallow it

What the demonstrators are doing is asking permittance from the police to be present, that's all. If the police say no, they can still hold their demonstration, there just won't be any authority present to de-escalate and protect people

The police might deny a request depending on what the basis for doing it is, though, or later prosecute the person if their intention was not legal (like incitement towards minority group)

The recent Torah burning that was cancelled was a PR stunt in attempts to show a hypocricy in the swedish government being biased in how they treat minority groups, but it kind of backfired when he actually got permitted by the police. He then went on arab media and spun the situation how the government did in fact not let him burn it because it wasn't stated that he was allowed to burn it (because that's not their concern and not what you're actually asking for since it's already legal), only that he was allowed to hold the demonstration

Make of the situation what you will

Zebatsu at 2023-07-20 11:29:36+00:00 ID: jsprljv

Don't worry, it'll probably be illegal in a few weeks since everything points towards the government letting literal fucking terrorists dictate our laws.

mushyrain at 2023-07-20 11:37:02+00:00 ID: jspui9o

Muslims are very religious I can imagine it hurts them a lot.

Oh no, so sad for them, they can gladly move back

Bannannass2 at 2023-07-20 11:44:01+00:00 ID: jspul54

I think its just strange that a being who created the universe would care much if you burn one copy of the holy words.

searinox2012 at 2023-07-20 10:56:01+00:00 ID: jspov74

To some, like other religious books, it represents just a collection of pieces of paper and not more. Burning paper is allowed by law.

ghostdeath22 at 2023-07-20 10:49:37+00:00 ID: jspncqs

Do explain why islam should dictate swedish law

PrudentFood77 at 2023-07-20 10:42:24+00:00 ID: jspn9a0

it's a stupid silly thing to do... but how does it make sense to ban it? we have free speach, you are allowed to to stupid silly things

and in the long run; if the muslims realize they can ban things by "mostly peaceful protests" (tm) ... what will be the next thing they target to get banned? ...because it will not stop at banning burning the quran

will they perhaps target restaurant that are open during daytime under ramadan? will they target pride festivals? will they target same sex marriage?

reptopeeps at 2023-07-20 11:53:00+00:00 ID: jspv9f6

Being upset doesn't trump constitutional rights. The end.

mludd at 2023-07-20 11:04:51+00:00 ID: jspra4w

https://youtu.be/vbsHox73mRo?t=216

pantbrev at 2023-07-20 11:18:45+00:00 ID: jspu24z

Ask the person who is burning the Quran, why would we know? FYI 99.9% of the Swedish population doesn't give a flying fuck about some attention seeking idiot, funny how people from the outside see us as "enablers" when it's a single person acting like a donkey. These types of gatherings are regulated by law and since we are an open free democratic country we allow this behaviour, you're more than welcome to go there and rally an anti-protest against the burning.

Shear-buckle at 2023-07-20 11:53:40+00:00 ID: jspw53z

Every right you have has been fougth for an upset people.

sulanspiken at 2023-07-20 13:08:46+00:00 ID: jsqc2ek

We don't have blasphemy laws here in Sweden and it applies to ALL religions. DO people really expecting us to enforce blasphemy laws in an open free democracy !?

Available_Gains at 2023-07-20 11:02:58+00:00 ID: jsprlau

I guess its being done to show the world its (islam) not compatible with the rest of the world.

PM_that at 2023-07-20 10:49:32+00:00 ID: jspnrlo

You wanna burn a book, go ahead, it doesn't matter if it's the Quran, the Bible or IKEA catalog. That's freedom of speech, how can a German not grasp the concept?

Beowulfs_descendant at 2023-07-20 10:51:47+00:00 ID: jspscjx

In Sweden we have, as a " Grundlag" or founding law the freedom of speech, " Yttrandefrihetsgrundlagen" which came into place around the same time as the freedom of press or " Tryckfrihetsförordningen." however never officaly became law until 1991, compared to "Tryckfrihetsförordningen." Which became law in 1776. Both of these mention that one can say, think, and print whatever they want, and that media cannot be censored by the government. There are however restrictions to said law, for example, it can be viewed as " Hets mot folkgrupp" ( Incitement towards ethnic group ). Muslims are not accounted for in this group and no religious group apart from Jews ( Because of the second world war and Nazism )

Those who are burning the Qarans additionaly often ask for permission from the muncipality. And as this is not encouraging direct violence towards Muslim, but a protest towards Islam, it does not break the law in any way. Altough there are occasions in which these protests have been refused by the city council due to it commonly causing riots, and unecessary violence.

It is worth noting however, that most Swedes do not support the Qaran burnings, and deem these burnings as unecessary, and dumb. Yet at the same time, many Swedes consider the violent response from the Muslim community, including destruction of property, flag desecration, cyber hacking, and threats: unecessary, childish and stupid.

Just because it hurts people doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed. Someone will always be hurt by another persons action, and someone will always disagree with another persons beliefs.

As someone who does not live in Sweden, as someone who does not face this problem, and as someone who does not have a country facing the same tension between Swedes and Muslims i understand if you can not truly comprehend this, however i ask of you to try instead of jumping to a conclusion based on how one person or side paints the picture.

Additionally, in my humble opinion shared with a notable amount of other people, Sweden is it's own nation, with it's own laws, and own ideas on how things should be done, what can be done, and what should be allowed. It is DELUSIONAL that we should have to change the laws that has been with us since the start of the " Frihetstid" in order so that we do what people of a certain faith want us too. It is also delusional, to blame an entire country on the actions of a group of people. Sweden, will not change in order to do what other people want, just like Sweden does not demand for other countries to change in order to comply with what they think is right.

Burning a BOOK, no matter how important it is considered, should not provoke such a response. One of hate, and outright violence. Especially, when this is done in a country which considers said book to be just that, a work of literature and nothing more.

Xceqter at 2023-07-20 11:26:30+00:00 ID: jspu4v9

Freedom of speech. We are allowed to do it. And btw no swede has burned the quran haha.

Accurate_Bed1021 at 2023-07-20 11:53:25+00:00 ID: jspv5fe

Kan mods förbjuda den här frågan nu. Börjar bli spam.

It's a good way to find out who suffers from the severe mental disability called religion that makes them violent and aggressive.

Late_Ad3405 at 2023-07-20 11:06:44+00:00 ID: jspt36q

I actually value the victims of militant islam higher, alot of people have died through the ages in the name of that book.

But its not really about that either way, its about our constitutional laws and that we wont bend them for any religious group.

The only solution as i see it, if we dont want qurans burnt is making burning books illegal all together. Having special laws for muslim related stuff is a no-go.

South_Pension_1430 at 2023-07-20 11:29:40+00:00 ID: jspsjwh

A question for you. Why is it illegal to practice freedom of speech in Germany??? Help me understand how that makes sense.

autosvar1 at 2023-07-20 10:44:57+00:00 ID: jspmpwr

It’s not the Swedish state doing it, it’s just allowing it because the state has no right not to since it’s constitutionally protected. If you want to know why people burn the Qurans you should ask them. My best guess is because the riots that Muslims go in retribution feeds into a narrative for more votes, at least that’s the case with Paludan’s burnings. I’m not sure about the other people’s quaran burnings

Illustrious-Lime-863 at 2023-07-20 10:43:51+00:00 ID: jspp62n

Don't you dare say that it is indeed fighting fire with fire, camouflaged collective racism and an unnecessary waste of taxpayer money, unless you want to get downvoted until your comment is not seen.

It's about free speech.

-Bleckplump- at 2023-07-20 11:57:50+00:00 ID: jspxam2

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" 

-Evelyn Beatrice Hall

I personally think that the ones who are burning the quoran is kinda ignorant, stupid and are most certainly trying to get a reaction. But they are well in their rights to do so. Freedom of speach and freedom of expression is a thing in Sweden and nothing to be suppressed by any person, leader, cause, religion etc.

ProbablyUncertain at 2023-07-20 12:21:49+00:00 ID: jsqa96v

Quran burnings don't make sense, but getting upset over them doesn't either.

Exciting_Swordfish16 at 2023-07-20 12:11:45+00:00 ID: jsq8kv0

Probably to show that a religion like islam isn't compatible with modern western values.

Sebsyx at 2023-07-20 11:01:32+00:00 ID: jspn4tf

Because you can.