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Beowulfs_descendant at 2023-07-20 10:51:47+00:00 ID:
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In Sweden we have, as a " Grundlag" or founding law the freedom of speech, " Yttrandefrihetsgrundlagen" which came into place around the same time as the freedom of press or " Tryckfrihetsförordningen." however never officaly became law until 1991, compared to "Tryckfrihetsförordningen." Which became law in 1776. Both of these mention that one can say, think, and print whatever they want, and that media cannot be censored by the government. There are however restrictions to said law, for example, it can be viewed as " Hets mot folkgrupp" ( Incitement towards ethnic group ). Muslims are not accounted for in this group and no religious group apart from Jews ( Because of the second world war and Nazism )
Those who are burning the Qarans additionaly often ask for permission from the muncipality. And as this is not encouraging direct violence towards Muslim, but a protest towards Islam, it does not break the law in any way. Altough there are occasions in which these protests have been refused by the city council due to it commonly causing riots, and unecessary violence.
It is worth noting however, that most Swedes do not support the Qaran burnings, and deem these burnings as unecessary, and dumb. Yet at the same time, many Swedes consider the violent response from the Muslim community, including destruction of property, flag desecration, cyber hacking, and threats: unecessary, childish and stupid.
Just because it hurts people doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed. Someone will always be hurt by another persons action, and someone will always disagree with another persons beliefs.
As someone who does not live in Sweden, as someone who does not face this problem, and as someone who does not have a country facing the same tension between Swedes and Muslims i understand if you can not truly comprehend this, however i ask of you to try instead of jumping to a conclusion based on how one person or side paints the picture.
Additionally, in my humble opinion shared with a notable amount of other people, Sweden is it's own nation, with it's own laws, and own ideas on how things should be done, what can be done, and what should be allowed. It is DELUSIONAL that we should have to change the laws that has been with us since the start of the " Frihetstid" in order so that we do what people of a certain faith want us too. It is also delusional, to blame an entire country on the actions of a group of people. Sweden, will not change in order to do what other people want, just like Sweden does not demand for other countries to change in order to comply with what they think is right.
Burning a BOOK, no matter how important it is considered, should not provoke such a response. One of hate, and outright violence. Especially, when this is done in a country which considers said book to be just that, a work of literature and nothing more.
broblackheim at 2023-07-20 14:19:52+00:00 ID:
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It should not, no. I agree. But we know it will. Thats just the state of the world and people.
We know the dirt poor and poorly educated people that base their life around faith, tired and traumatised from war, will respond. Especially when some aloof white rich people are fine with others wanting to take a shit on the one thing that keep them going in life. Thats how they see it. Their culture, their opportunity and values are not like ours.
The real fundamentalists dont understand or care what a grundlag is or freedom of speech is. We know this too, they have other values that differ from ours.
We choose to allow this knowing full well this respons will continue. And in the end it will cost lives. Some are fine with this. I wish they were the ones to have to explain to the people who will get hurt. How our freedom of speech technicality of allowing you to burn a book if you must is more important than a life.
The ones who might committ acts of terror are the ones to blame for sure. Monsters. But we are actively inviting it over principals that other functioning democracies have eschewed since they constitute hatespeech toward another culture.
Thats just how I see it anyway, I think we have to be pragmatic
MrOaiki at 2023-07-20 19:58:03+00:00 ID:
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We have several grundlagar.