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PrudentFood77 at 2023-07-20 10:42:24+00:00 ID:
jspn9a0it's a stupid silly thing to do... but how does it make sense to ban it? we have free speach, you are allowed to to stupid silly things
and in the long run; if the muslims realize they can ban things by "mostly peaceful protests" (tm) ... what will be the next thing they target to get banned? ...because it will not stop at banning burning the quran
will they perhaps target restaurant that are open during daytime under ramadan? will they target pride festivals? will they target same sex marriage?
Shear-buckle at 2023-07-20 12:12:59+00:00 ID:
jspwa1kIt doesn't seem silly at all, it seems well justified considering the reactions to it.
miniatureconlangs at 2023-07-20 11:29:10+00:00 ID:
jsprjqqI don't see how 'free speech' is the same as 'permitting any action to express any opinion'.
PrudentFood77 at 2023-07-20 11:33:46+00:00 ID:
jsps0e2"free speech" is just a non-legal term :) i think the correct wording should be "Freedom of expression"... but it's easier to write free speech
and not everything is allowed, from the goverments website: "For example, this freedom does not extend to slander or committing an act involving threats or agitation against a national or ethnic group. On the other hand, religions as such are not protected against expressions of opinion that challenge religious messages or that may be perceived as hurtful to believers."
miniatureconlangs at 2023-07-20 11:43:36+00:00 ID:
jspt1n6Exactly; "free speech" isn't free speech. You can't, e.g. use a gun in arbitrary ways to advocate freer gun laws, etc. So e.g. restricting how you can use a Bible or a Quran wouldn't be particularly limiting - you can still express your dislike for the quran or the bible!
Restricting how you can say things is not the same as restricting what you can say.
PrudentFood77 at 2023-07-20 12:01:01+00:00 ID:
jspuxl5true,
but also if we ban burnings of the Quran because muslims gets violent - we do it of the wrong reason... and that is a very dangerous path to take
miniatureconlangs at 2023-07-20 12:50:04+00:00 ID:
jsq0q6nI do sort of agree, but meanwhile, I do think a lot of free speech enthusiasts fail to grasp the difference between "åsiktsfrihet" and "rätt att göra saker utan konsekvenser".
Other-Ad-1851 at 2023-07-20 11:43:47+00:00 ID:
jspt2b4I dont think its a "silly thing" for the person having to flee his country after beeing tourtured (sharia).