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[–] [email protected] 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

If I had the money and a computer able to handle the amount of stuff I'd be throwing at it with a local model, I would have a giant website full of AI generated nonsense purely for the purpose of letting AI gobble it up to help the AI incest problem.

Imagine if a whole metric ton of "websites" did this. The thieving AI companies would either have to start blocking all of these sites or deal with an issue they don't wanna because they're too stingy and will probably just have their AI try ( and fail ) to fix the problem.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago

That was certainly cool. Now I wish I could use tools like that nepenthes on my neocities page.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Human society does the same thing.

We're ok when we talk about what we saw.

Less so when we talk about what somebody else saw.

Crazier and crazier when we talk about what somebody said about what somebody said about what somebody saw. Which is arguably the internet.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 21 hours ago

AI ingesting AI slop and falling apart is not dissimilar to boomers ingesting rightwing slop and falling apart.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago

Ffs, neural networks and LLMs have their place and can be useful, but setting up datacentres that snort up the entire internet indiscriminately to create a glorified chatbot that spews data that may or may not be correct is insane.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago

I predicted this. It is similar to a photocopy of a photocopy that eventually ends up a mess of garbage noise.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago
[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I've been predicting this for a while now and people kept telling me I was wrong. Prepare for dot com burst two, electric boogaloo.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

I hope it crashes but what if the market completely embraces feels-based economics and just says that incomprehensible AI slop noise is what customers crave? Maybe CEOs will interpret AI gibberish output in much the same way as ancient high priests made calls by sifting through the entrails of sacrificed animals. Tesla meme stock is evidence that you can defy all known laws of economic theory and still just coast by.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

fill up your free cloud services with ai generated info. i mean thousand text file. like "how to make homemade butterfly". all of them will scrap by ai.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago

The silver lining of AI slop filling the WWW

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There is a solution to this. Make a **perfect ** AI detecting tool. The only way I can think of is through adding a tag to every bit of AI-generated data,

Though it could easily be removed from text, I guess.And no, training AI to recognize AI will never work. Also every model would have to join this, or it won't work.

Related XKCD

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Also people won't be able to pass AI work off as their own if it is labeled as such. Cheating and selling slop is the chief use for AI so any tag or watermark will be removed on the vast majority of stuff.

There's also liability. If your AI generates code that's used to program something important and a lot of people are injured or die, do you really want a tag that can be traceable to back the company to be on the evidence? Or slapped all over the child sex abuse images that their wonderful invention is churning out?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

LOL you're suggesting people already doing something unbelievably stupid should do something smart to compensate.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Good. Eat yourself you technological prion disease.

[–] masta_chief 6 points 1 day ago

This is a rare insult and I like it

[–] [email protected] 94 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Another problem I've realized today, is the proliferation of data that was originally hallucinated by AI.

I was discussing an issue on a software with a coworker and he asked an AI for help configure around it. He then sent me "apparently we can try changing this setting to this value". I told him to first validate if that setting really existed because AI tends to make up things like that when it's what you would want to hear and running a test would take us 20~30 minutes.

He found some discussions about that setting not working as people expected. "ok at least it exists then" and we tried it. It didn't work. I later cloned the source of that software and checked, the setting didn't exist - ever.

[–] [email protected] 88 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I love that you even specifically said, "Yea, let's check to make sure that setting exists to begin with." To which instead of actually fucking checking, they proceed to google more about the setting and use someone else's 'discussion' online of it not working as proof that it does exist, even though they were likely having that discussion because the setting didn't exist.

This is also how I can tell this story is 100% true.

I don't miss working support at all and am reminded of it like this daily

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 days ago

Good. Poison the AI well. Rot this shit to the ground.

[–] _druid 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Aww boo hoo, did someone generate a degenerative feedback loop? Yeah? Did someone make a big ol' oppsy whoopsy that's gunna accelerate in hallucinations and slop as it collapses in on itself? How's the coded version of a microphone whine going to go, you silly buttholes?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People are putting AI generated pitfalls to guard their content.

They reference nonsense links that usually cannot even be seen by normal users, the AI reads the pages and finds more garbage links even as more are generated by the site.

[–] _druid 5 points 1 day ago

It's just so unfortunate that, in causing AI to delve down these winding paths, to propagate these slopfest feedback loops, the computers that are running the AI are burning real resources, polluting our atmosphere.

Unfortunate is not the right word to describe the deep lament I feel, to cause such destruction for so little, if any, gain at all. My heart is heavy with regret for us all. Not just you and I, but for beast, bird, plant as well. Such a shame.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Garbage in, garbage out.

Who could have possibly predicted that?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

This has always been true, but LLMs have expedited the process by taking the garbage out and sticking it right back into the input.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

So, reading this article, it's not about model collapse, but about RAG - letting the AI model google the question essentially. The problem is, the first 10 pages of google search results are all low effort adfarming slop sites, because of course it is, which is making the answers from the AI worse, as these slop sites often have incorrect or otherwise unproofed articles, which biases the AI to fork out the wrong answer.

I'm sure the major AI services will try and fix this with some slop site detection routines.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Mad AI Disease.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm sure the major AI services will try and fix this with some slop site detection routines.

Which will be run by AI 🙃

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Don't forget! A lot of the slop on those first few pages of results is AI-generated.

Ouroboros is a very apt moniker for this phenomena.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yesterday, there was the usual slew of artificial computer-generated news stories on YouTube about GM closing down all factories in north america (happens about once a month).

Well I typed in "is GM closing down in the US" in Google and the Gemini generated answer said "Yes, GM has announced the closure of all plants in the US" and put up those fake YT videos as reference....

I’m sure the major AI services will try and fix this with some slop site detection routines.

They already do this through data determination routines in LLMs, unfortunately they suffer from the same type of infection as the data itself.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

The great news is that these ponze schemes will either collapse or spend the next decade trying to fix it by creating algorithms which detect AI content so as to filter it out.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It's very tempting to have schadenfreude about this failure but also disgusting that so much has been invested in it that should have been put to better use.

It's just another example of a system whose narrow definition of success is taking human and environmental value and using it to extract more. It's not aimed at solving worthwhile problems or making things better, which is why people are becoming more miserable and the planet is getting wrecked.

You could say that it's the system we live in which is the AI, feeding on itself and becoming more sick.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

In my case it's not so much schadenfreude as just wanting this nightmare era to end as quickly as possible. The sooner this LLM shit dies the sooner we can start to recover and move on, in terms of stopping the senseless waste of water and energy and maybe starting to rebuild some kind of useful internet.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The schadenfreude is what we’re here for! We can’t do anything about the waste of investors’ money. They could’ve spent it all on fireworks instead. That probably would’ve been more fun!

As for the system? I prefer not to think about it. Too much systemic thinking is bad for mental health. Much better to enjoy some schadenfreude and save your serious thinking energy for things you have the power to change, especially where they can make life better for you and those around you.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Cue Price is Right failure trombone.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

makes me think about the human centipede

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

How much money was invested in reminding us that if the snake starts eating its tail it's eating itself?

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