I say that to lower the expectations of me, so in the event I'm wrong, I could pass it off as "I misremembered"
this post was submitted on 04 Jan 2025
989 points (97.8% liked)
Funny
7162 readers
1355 users here now
General rules:
- Be kind.
- All posts must make an attempt to be funny.
- Obey the general sh.itjust.works instance rules.
- No politics or political figures. There are plenty of other politics communities to choose from.
- Don't post anything grotesque or potentially illegal. Examples include pornography, gore, animal cruelty, inappropriate jokes involving kids, etc.
Exceptions may be made at the discretion of the mods.
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
There are subjects in which I have formal training and extensive experience in. Here I speak with authority and don't use slippery language; I may even cite sources.
There are other subjects that I read about once probably somewhere on the internet at some point in the last 25 years or so. Here I will phrase it as "If I understand correctly" or I might even pose it as a question inviting others to correct me.
I went to flight school during the time when we all thought System of a Down had recorded a song about the Legend of Zelda. If you don't have an internal rating system about how reliably you "know" the things you "know" you're probably not worth listening to.
There are subjects in which I have formal training and extensive experience in.
Grammar clearly not being one of them.
I kid. Sorry, I’m a sucker for low hanging fruit.
My college public speaking teacher was also so sure that "wuddn't" is not a word. y'all gotta problem w'how I tawk can get axe fucked. I'm drunk enough to let out the drawl, c'mon nao.
load more comments
(1 replies)
I think a problem might be that even if you have an internal rating system, it's still a spectrum and the other person doesn't know what that percentage of confidence you have is. If you're 95℅ sure, maybe you still want to communicate that it isn't 100℅ since assuming you're 100℅ sure might cause problems.
Things change all the time, even if it's part of your field of expertise. Today, gorillas are technically monkeys and Pluto isn't a planet, but lots of people are sure those aren't true.
Well congratulations you just re-derived citing sources from first principles.
I will use slippery language for every statement unless you are family or you are paying 100$/hr 4 hours minimum. And then I will phrase in terms of "the trade offs and decisions that are available to you and why"
load more comments
(3 replies)
Lotta potential positions you could take with regards to that system, y'know. cracks epistemological knuckles, what ya got? How do you decide how much weight to attribute to a fact you heard someone else tell you? Who? In what context? That stuff doesn't, I believe, have a pithy answer
We are in a post-trust world. We're all probably better off just swimming out to sea.
Sadly, for me in particular, I sort of remember and I'm probably right, but I'm ready to run away just in case it's otherwise. My politeness comes from allowing others to correct me, which I do. Sometimes. Be honoured.
This is me 100%.
Though I'm probably right, I'm fine with being wrong. I don't want to spread untruths. I'd rather learn the true thing and try not to forget it.
learn the true thing
Don't forget some people would rather teach the false thing.
Same here, but I found that most ppl. overhear /do not register that I did in fact say 'if...' they go right ahead an presume I said :'it is this way and I am correct'. Quite frustrating that.
There’s a non zero chance I’m in the matrix and nothing has ever really happened. I will never be 100% sure of anything.
You mean like a temporary hallucinations add-on attached to your individual program? Even so, its activation, modification or erasure would leave a log behind to mark it did happen in some form.
What we call reality is mere interpretation of evidence anyway, so while debating whether something really happened depends on our ability to find said evidence, it's not enough to conclusively declare it didn't actually happen in some way beyond our comprehension.
It is a nice hedge for when you can't be bothered to spend time looking things up to support a claim and don't want people asking
I'm often using "if I recall correctly" when I don't remember the source of that info
I also use it when I do remember the source, but it's too much work to find it again.
And others use the words as they mean. So it might not be polite. Depends on the listener.
:/ that's unfortunate. I say that because I'm iffy where I remember something from.
Same. It's like a warning that I am possibly not correct.
I remember stuff quite confidently.
I always say "if I remember correctly" both as "cover my ass" and also, bait for anyone who subscribes to "alternative facts".
I usually won't bother correcting you if you try to correct me, I'll just let you be wrong.
My head leaks like a sieve.
I'm covering my ass, AFAIK.
Speaking of which, Allegedly and Alibi are great girl's names. So is Agenda
The names have nice abbreviations, Alle, Ali and Gen
I also do it to hedge, because even when I feel sure about something i acknowledge there's a tiny chance i could be wrong
When I say that, it's because I know my memory is terrible and I might be conflagrating multiple things into something new that only exists in my mind.
That's so 🔥!
But the one time I don't say it I in fact did not remember it correctly.
I feel like this is something that women have to do a lot (not that men don't) to avoid being thought of as overly aggressive. I hate it.
I once had a (male) boss tell me (female) that to be successful as a leader in our engineering industry as a woman, you have to be a bitch. He was trying to encourage me to be less polite and more confident, but he also made it clear exactly what he thought of those confident women. I think he was trying to be a good mentor but it fucked me up, because I don’t consider myself a bitch, nor do I want to be one. It took me a long time to realize he was wrong, and that I can be a kind person and confident at the same time.
On the flipside, I was once given feedback that I’m “too direct” in emails and it came across as rude. What I realized was, it wasn’t the directness, it was the lack of friendly communication around it. You can say “I know the answer to your problem, do this thing” as long as you add in “Hi so-and-so, thanks for the great question! Here’s my brief reasoning, so I recommend you do this thing.” One is “bossy”, the other is friendly and acknowledges the recipient is an equal asking for advice, instead of an underling who should obey you because you said so.
I know the answer to your problem, do this thing
If it makes you feel better I wouldn't be remotely put off by a response like that
It must be difficult to know what to make of that kind of feedback. Some people value indirectness, others value directness, and many people value both, at different times. And then there's the sexist aspect of some responders. Sigh.
I wonder if this is gender or industry or country. I'm in government info tech and we are pretty tolerant of single line emails stating an undecorated answer or solution
Or perhaps we're not but I don't hear about it due to being male, tall, and grey haired
That's exactly why I (a man) do it. Because I'm trying to be polite about you being wrong and before I put your nose in it, I'm giving you a chance to acknowledge your mistake.
It's diplomacy, but yeah, apparently some men are still extra salty when the messenger is a woman. Go figure.
Same. I have been working where I work much longer than my boss. I know the relevant requirements better most of the time. I don't throw that in their face. Plus, even if I'm right, they can (in the moment) pull rank and enforce whatever they want. I remain humble in my assertions and in return they almost never pull rank. It's a good balance. My boss actually depends on me to know the requirements and be able to tell everyone what they are. Then, they just enforce them. Win-win for me.
It is just admitting that you are able to be wrong, because most humans can't handle someone stating something, being corrected, and then accepting the right answer without an ego based conflict.
Not really. I do it a lot as well. It gives you a space to backtrack if you need/want to.
Personally this is something I do with my parents because if I make them feel bad for being wrong I'm the bad guy
load more comments
(3 replies)
Yeah cuz people who know they're right are never wrong - ask any MAGA.
And then the person you’re talking to says, “Well I definitely recall and you are wrong.”
And that's when you bust out the internet searches and see who is right.
And then they get mad because you humiliated them in front of all those people, and carry a grudge about it and say you're vindictive and "have to be right about everything."
Not everyone is like that, of course.
"You were very confident and I doubted my memory. I wanted to make sure I wasn't spreading misinformation."
One of the quickest ways to deflate the person's argument, especially in a social setting. It makes you look humble and makes them look like an asshole if they keep going at it. If you want to subtley needle then, you can also apologize if they felt attacked by being corrected.
this. its like two types of people. I will never say anything is for sure. If I say 99% sure that is about the top for me. I recognize that there could be something untrue somewhere in my statements but I know other folks were if they are over 50% sure they definately know.
I add it because I'm always 99.99% sure I'm right but like I'm not gonna be the asshole confidently spreading misinformation.
Except for the few times I didn't add it and ended up being wrong.
I say it because my neurodivergent ass memory is my mortal enemy and decides on its own what to remember or not so I have about a 60% confidence on any statement unless it's a special interest.
view more: next ›