Warp 5? That's really slow.
I'd say their common travel speed is more like warp 7.
Guess it's time for another entire rewatch of TNG to check the stats.
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Warp 8 was the most common warp factor used for general travel on TNG. Warp 9.2 was actually the maximum sustainable cruising speed of a Galaxy class ship. This was played for a laugh in Menage a Troi when Picard called for Warp 9 when returning Lwaxana to Betazed at the end of the episode.
Near the end of the series didn't they set a speed limit of warp 7?
In Force of Nature (S07E09) they discover that high speed warp travel can damage the fabric of space and a speed limit of warp 5 is set by the Federation for non-emergency travel. It gets referenced a couple of times in the final season of TNG but doesn't come up much after.
Though arguably Voyager's situation and the Dominion War could both be reasonably considered "emergencies". It's also been suggested that the Federation was very quick to develop warp drives that didn't cause this damage (this is one official but never-published explanation given for the Intrepid Class variable geometry warp nacelles).
For any vessel/vehicle, travelling at maximum speed is not only unsafe, but it is also very inefficient on fuel and induces an exorbitant amount of stress on the engine, transmission, and propulsion system, requiring much more frequent and intensive maintenance.
Very few vehicles routinely exceed 80% of their maximum speed. And even then, only when the coast is clear and it’s safe to let the throttle out.
Massive push to get everyone into therapy because literal face-to-face human interaction can't be automated, but by gosh it can surely be commodified.
Everything has value. The question is should everything have a monetary value?
This is also why I can't respond 'good' to how I am. If I am 'good' then it means I'm better than average or median. But if I say I am good too often, it becomes the average.
I consider "good" to be of the binary group good or not good.
Average is good, a little low is good. Great is good
Though I usually answer "fine :)"
My husband always says he's normal when asked. It took some time to get used to not hearing "good". Our toddler now also replies with she's normal.
Teaching the youngling how to voice emotions and sometimes you just need a society break will set that kid up far better than the usual education systems we have.
I'm the only person I know who thinks it's incredibly rude to ask people how they are as a greeting when you don't really want an honest answer. It puts the person being asked on the spot to be disingenuous like everyone expects, or offer information that the greeter really didn't want, and therefore shouldn't have asked for in the first place.
The other reason for traveling at Warp 5 is that the Enterprise is an explorer ship. If you never slow down you'll "make good time" but miss the Universe's Biggest Ball of String. Working at 100% can make you miss nuances that could be important, or could just add some ineffable element to your inner life.
There's also that one episode where it comes out that fast warp travel damages the universe and they need to be slower than a certain warp to not damage it. But in good old TNG fashion this is never referenced again in the future.
They don’t directly mention it, but as I recall after that episode traveling at high warp speeds was greatly diminished and warp speeds above certain thresholds were only used in emergency situations/required special authorization. So not completely abandoned but they certainly didn’t build on the premise, which is a shame because I thought it was one of the cooler plot elements that was introduced in the series.
And I think that was the excuse for Voyager's flappy wings, but that might be fanon.
As I recall it was vaguely mentioned (in a different series) that newer warp engines didn't cause the same damage at high warp speeds.
Also because of that one episode that put a standard limit on warp travel, the entire warp scale got rejiggered at some point. Where warp 10 became the upper limit.
There are episodes where ships are noted to have been travelling at warp 13 or 14 before they reworked warp speeds
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I think any warp travel at all was damaging, and lowering warp speeds was the compromise to slow down the damage they were doing but did not completely eliminate it
In a similar vein, when you drive anywhere in your vehicle you don't keep your engine at the red line at all times. You would wear it out within 20,000 miles at best. In fact, the engine almost always tries to be at the lowest rpm feasible.
We should strive to be like our vehicles: operating at the lowest load possible, hustling only when necessary.
Right. That speedometer goes all the way to 270 km/h but on average we drive at about 30km/h in a city. That's why our cars can last 400000 km while a Formula 1's engine last about one race.
Your analogy is a lot worse than the one from the guy you replied to. Formula1 engines last multiple races since each car is only allowed 3 engines per season. And the reason they last so short is cause they are running at insane amounts of compression and rpm, not because of the speed the cars are driving.
A Formula 1 car doing 30kmh in stop and go city traffic would break down after a lot shorter distance than a road going sports car doing a constant 300kmh on the Autobahn
And sometime you might need to crawl. And sometime you might need someone to carry you.
But isn't strange reptile sex stuff happening at those speeds? What's the analogy?
That happens when you break the Warp 10 threshold (in normal space, doesn't happen if you're in a transwarp corridor).
Makes me wonder why they didn't make the ship strong enough that it was capable of sustaining 9.9. Also: they've broken the warp barrier like 2 or 3 times and the ship was fine. 🤷🏻♂️
they've broken the warp barrier like 2 or 3 times and the ship was fine
The ship, sure. Some crew members, however...
Makes me wonder why they didn’t make the ship strong enough that it was capable of sustaining 9.9.
They did; it's called USS Voyager. Its maximum sustained speed was warp 9.975.
It's not super obvious on-screen, but the Intrepid-class was considerably faster than even the Sovereign-class (Enterprise-E), let alone the older Galaxy-class (Enterprise-D).
It was also significantly less massive. And like 50% if of it was dedicated to the warp system.
Think of a better ship to strand on the other side of the galaxy than the fastest conventional warp capable ship.
Think of a better ship to strand on the other side of the galaxy than the fastest conventional warp capable ship.
That Borg ship that can generate its own wormholes.
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Presumably if they made a ship strong enough to sustain warp 9.9, it'd have a higher theoretical max speed along with it.
I am still watching through TNG for the first time, but the only instances I really recall it exceeding those numbers are when they had Dr. Kosinski and his traveler "assistant" performing a warp drive experiment which lasted a very brief time and yielded basically unproduceable results, and a couple instances of the ship being catapulted at impossible speeds by Q. The structure of the ship was fine in each instance, but the engine would have likely exploded if they tried to push it to those levels under normal circumstances.
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because if it could constantly do 9.9 then it's max speed would probably be higher
Well much higher and the crew turns to salamanders
They really lost me there. Everybody knows everything evolved into crabs /s
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