MistakeGlittering581 at 2023-07-20 11:02:58+00:00 ID: jsppmng
Freedom of speech.
You are free to be an asshole. Imagine it being illegal to voice your opinion and be who you are in peace... Germany. The world kinda fought you guys over that
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MistakeGlittering581 at 2023-07-20 11:02:58+00:00 ID: jsppmng
Freedom of speech.
You are free to be an asshole. Imagine it being illegal to voice your opinion and be who you are in peace... Germany. The world kinda fought you guys over that
mctrollythefirst at 2023-07-20 11:06:44+00:00 ID: jspozu9
Because they can. Its not against the law to do it.
Its not like it was state sponsored and he was forced by the state to do it.
And I dont see why it should be illegal. Religion should never be above law ore the norm.
KARATEKATT1 at 2023-07-20 11:04:51+00:00 ID: jspnyuf
Can someone help me understand how this makes sense?
There's something called freedom of speech in our country.
That means you're allowed to think what you want, and others are allowed to critize it. You may be pissed off by that, but you may not hinder others opinions / views.
And most importantly, the state does not have the right to limit your views.
I do not really see how this is hard to grasp.
and as Muslims are very religious I can imagine it hurts them a lot. Maybe I don’t have the full picture. Thank you!
Do you think it's OK that someone feeling's should decide what others can do?
OK cool. I see you play video games. I think video games are stupid.
Please stop playing video games, it hurts me a lot when you do.
Maybe muslims should stop being so fucking fragile or go live in countries were you're not allowed freedom of thought, expression and will?
Oh right, they don't want to live in those countries because they're garbage - as a result of their non existing freedom(s).
SymbolicDom at 2023-07-20 12:39:20+00:00 ID: jspzedn
The freedom of 6 is limited in Sweden. F.ex, you can say what you want about islam but not muslims. Hate speech against a group of people is forbidden in Sweden. Other stuff like death threats and slander to.
among-the-frogs at 2023-07-20 10:51:26+00:00 ID: jspnrc4
It’s a way to highlight the opposition to the basic right of free speech. Many Swedes thinks the liberal humanist value of free speech is very important, but an increasing group of people think that a silly made up story with no evidence should be able to dictate the speech of others instead.
Keklmao1337 at 2023-07-20 11:09:40+00:00 ID: jspprjf
OP is a bot.
EttLiv at 2023-07-20 10:37:43+00:00 ID: jspocyl
How do you justify eating pork sausage in Germany when it is haram?
Same kind of question.
Greenzon3333 at 2023-07-20 13:48:13+00:00 ID: jsq8gt7
Fan va ägd 😅
Traditional-Ad-7722 at 2023-07-20 11:11:04+00:00 ID: jspqi2k
It doesn't need justification. I've been wondering, would a person burning the Bible or the Veda-scriptures in say Iraq be.. fined? Or arrested?
AttTankaRattArStorre at 2023-07-20 10:51:24+00:00 ID: jspnxp5
If muslims get upset it's their problem. The whole point of the burnings is to point out that there is a sizable minority in the country that can be provoked to the extreme by something as mundane as the burning of a stack of papers, and that their potential for violence is cause for concern.
If muslims just... stopped being upset the burnings would end pretty much immediately, but now we instead have a situation where swedish embassies gets burned and thus the whole thing will continue.
Hiioora at 2023-07-20 10:47:21+00:00 ID: jspnkfn
My book(or body etc), my choice, you sir can mind your own damn business.
That's the Swedish way, it's just paper.
What's holy to you is nonsense to me, don't try and force your belief on me please.
kingela at 2023-07-20 12:11:14+00:00 ID: jspw2y8
Eh, while I fully agree in this specific case, what you’re describing is definitely not the Swedish way, we absolutely love to police people’s behaviour on very vague moral grounds.
SymbolicDom at 2023-07-20 12:33:00+00:00 ID: jspymfn
Moral only in the way if it affects others in a bad way. That may include your children and pets.
idlingtranscendency at 2023-07-20 12:32:16+00:00 ID: jspyjdf
Sweden is an extremely paternalistic country. So funny with the self righteousness in this thread.
Yalori at 2023-07-20 10:43:13+00:00 ID: jspn79h
There's nothing much to it, it's a constitutionally protected right to do be able to do what you want with your property
When you hear announcements of a quran burning, it's not that the government permits this. In fact many politicians have expressed their distate towards the burning, but they're not actually in any position to allow or disallow it
What the demonstrators are doing is asking permittance from the police to be present, that's all. If the police say no, they can still hold their demonstration, there just won't be any authority present to de-escalate and protect people
The police might deny a request depending on what the basis for doing it is, though, or later prosecute the person if their intention was not legal (like incitement towards minority group)
The recent Torah burning that was cancelled was a PR stunt in attempts to show a hypocricy in the swedish government being biased in how they treat minority groups, but it kind of backfired when he actually got permitted by the police. He then went on arab media and spun the situation how the government did in fact not let him burn it because it wasn't stated that he was allowed to burn it (because that's not their concern and not what you're actually asking for since it's already legal), only that he was allowed to hold the demonstration
Make of the situation what you will
Zebatsu at 2023-07-20 11:29:36+00:00 ID: jsprljv
Don't worry, it'll probably be illegal in a few weeks since everything points towards the government letting literal fucking terrorists dictate our laws.
stefan714 at 2023-07-20 11:42:36+00:00 ID: jspsxtg
That will only create more Anders Breivik types of people.
mushyrain at 2023-07-20 11:37:02+00:00 ID: jspui9o
Muslims are very religious I can imagine it hurts them a lot.
Oh no, so sad for them, they can gladly move back
Bannannass2 at 2023-07-20 11:44:01+00:00 ID: jspul54
I think its just strange that a being who created the universe would care much if you burn one copy of the holy words.
searinox2012 at 2023-07-20 10:56:01+00:00 ID: jspov74
To some, like other religious books, it represents just a collection of pieces of paper and not more. Burning paper is allowed by law.
ghostdeath22 at 2023-07-20 10:49:37+00:00 ID: jspncqs
Do explain why islam should dictate swedish law
PrudentFood77 at 2023-07-20 10:42:24+00:00 ID: jspn9a0
it's a stupid silly thing to do... but how does it make sense to ban it? we have free speach, you are allowed to to stupid silly things
and in the long run; if the muslims realize they can ban things by "mostly peaceful protests" (tm) ... what will be the next thing they target to get banned? ...because it will not stop at banning burning the quran
will they perhaps target restaurant that are open during daytime under ramadan? will they target pride festivals? will they target same sex marriage?
miniatureconlangs at 2023-07-20 11:29:10+00:00 ID: jsprjqq
I don't see how 'free speech' is the same as 'permitting any action to express any opinion'.
PrudentFood77 at 2023-07-20 11:33:46+00:00 ID: jsps0e2
"free speech" is just a non-legal term :) i think the correct wording should be "Freedom of expression"... but it's easier to write free speech
and not everything is allowed, from the goverments website: "For example, this freedom does not extend to slander or committing an act involving threats or agitation against a national or ethnic group. On the other hand, religions as such are not protected against expressions of opinion that challenge religious messages or that may be perceived as hurtful to believers."
miniatureconlangs at 2023-07-20 11:43:36+00:00 ID: jspt1n6
Exactly; "free speech" isn't free speech. You can't, e.g. use a gun in arbitrary ways to advocate freer gun laws, etc. So e.g. restricting how you can use a Bible or a Quran wouldn't be particularly limiting - you can still express your dislike for the quran or the bible!
Restricting how you can say things is not the same as restricting what you can say.
PrudentFood77 at 2023-07-20 12:01:01+00:00 ID: jspuxl5
true,
but also if we ban burnings of the Quran because muslims gets violent - we do it of the wrong reason... and that is a very dangerous path to take
Other-Ad-1851 at 2023-07-20 11:43:47+00:00 ID: jspt2b4
I dont think its a "silly thing" for the person having to flee his country after beeing tourtured (sharia).
Shear-buckle at 2023-07-20 12:12:59+00:00 ID: jspwa1k
It doesn't seem silly at all, it seems well justified considering the reactions to it.
reptopeeps at 2023-07-20 11:53:00+00:00 ID: jspv9f6
Being upset doesn't trump constitutional rights. The end.
pantbrev at 2023-07-20 11:18:45+00:00 ID: jspu24z
Ask the person who is burning the Quran, why would we know? FYI 99.9% of the Swedish population doesn't give a flying fuck about some attention seeking idiot, funny how people from the outside see us as "enablers" when it's a single person acting like a donkey. These types of gatherings are regulated by law and since we are an open free democratic country we allow this behaviour, you're more than welcome to go there and rally an anti-protest against the burning.
Shear-buckle at 2023-07-20 11:53:40+00:00 ID: jspw53z
Every right you have has been fougth for an upset people.
sulanspiken at 2023-07-20 13:08:46+00:00 ID: jsqc2ek
We don't have blasphemy laws here in Sweden and it applies to ALL religions. DO people really expecting us to enforce blasphemy laws in an open free democracy !?
Available_Gains at 2023-07-20 11:02:58+00:00 ID: jsprlau
I guess its being done to show the world its (islam) not compatible with the rest of the world.
PM_that at 2023-07-20 10:49:32+00:00 ID: jspnrlo
You wanna burn a book, go ahead, it doesn't matter if it's the Quran, the Bible or IKEA catalog. That's freedom of speech, how can a German not grasp the concept?
frane12 at 2023-07-20 13:13:06+00:00 ID: jsq3psg
They did like book burnings before right ?
MasterAkrean at 2023-07-20 13:42:17+00:00 ID: jsq7ncz
Lol
Beowulfs_descendant at 2023-07-20 10:51:47+00:00 ID: jspscjx
In Sweden we have, as a " Grundlag" or founding law the freedom of speech, " Yttrandefrihetsgrundlagen" which came into place around the same time as the freedom of press or " Tryckfrihetsförordningen." however never officaly became law until 1991, compared to "Tryckfrihetsförordningen." Which became law in 1776. Both of these mention that one can say, think, and print whatever they want, and that media cannot be censored by the government. There are however restrictions to said law, for example, it can be viewed as " Hets mot folkgrupp" ( Incitement towards ethnic group ). Muslims are not accounted for in this group and no religious group apart from Jews ( Because of the second world war and Nazism )
Those who are burning the Qarans additionaly often ask for permission from the muncipality. And as this is not encouraging direct violence towards Muslim, but a protest towards Islam, it does not break the law in any way. Altough there are occasions in which these protests have been refused by the city council due to it commonly causing riots, and unecessary violence.
It is worth noting however, that most Swedes do not support the Qaran burnings, and deem these burnings as unecessary, and dumb. Yet at the same time, many Swedes consider the violent response from the Muslim community, including destruction of property, flag desecration, cyber hacking, and threats: unecessary, childish and stupid.
Just because it hurts people doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed. Someone will always be hurt by another persons action, and someone will always disagree with another persons beliefs.
As someone who does not live in Sweden, as someone who does not face this problem, and as someone who does not have a country facing the same tension between Swedes and Muslims i understand if you can not truly comprehend this, however i ask of you to try instead of jumping to a conclusion based on how one person or side paints the picture.
Additionally, in my humble opinion shared with a notable amount of other people, Sweden is it's own nation, with it's own laws, and own ideas on how things should be done, what can be done, and what should be allowed. It is DELUSIONAL that we should have to change the laws that has been with us since the start of the " Frihetstid" in order so that we do what people of a certain faith want us too. It is also delusional, to blame an entire country on the actions of a group of people. Sweden, will not change in order to do what other people want, just like Sweden does not demand for other countries to change in order to comply with what they think is right.
Burning a BOOK, no matter how important it is considered, should not provoke such a response. One of hate, and outright violence. Especially, when this is done in a country which considers said book to be just that, a work of literature and nothing more.
Xceqter at 2023-07-20 11:26:30+00:00 ID: jspu4v9
Freedom of speech. We are allowed to do it. And btw no swede has burned the quran haha.
Accurate_Bed1021 at 2023-07-20 11:53:25+00:00 ID: jspv5fe
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It's a good way to find out who suffers from the severe mental disability called religion that makes them violent and aggressive.
Late_Ad3405 at 2023-07-20 11:06:44+00:00 ID: jspt36q
I actually value the victims of militant islam higher, alot of people have died through the ages in the name of that book.
But its not really about that either way, its about our constitutional laws and that we wont bend them for any religious group.
The only solution as i see it, if we dont want qurans burnt is making burning books illegal all together. Having special laws for muslim related stuff is a no-go.
South_Pension_1430 at 2023-07-20 11:29:40+00:00 ID: jspsjwh
A question for you. Why is it illegal to practice freedom of speech in Germany??? Help me understand how that makes sense.
autosvar1 at 2023-07-20 10:44:57+00:00 ID: jspmpwr
It’s not the Swedish state doing it, it’s just allowing it because the state has no right not to since it’s constitutionally protected. If you want to know why people burn the Qurans you should ask them. My best guess is because the riots that Muslims go in retribution feeds into a narrative for more votes, at least that’s the case with Paludan’s burnings. I’m not sure about the other people’s quaran burnings
Illustrious-Lime-863 at 2023-07-20 10:43:51+00:00 ID: jspp62n
Don't you dare say that it is indeed fighting fire with fire, camouflaged collective racism and an unnecessary waste of taxpayer money, unless you want to get downvoted until your comment is not seen.
It's about free speech.
-Bleckplump- at 2023-07-20 11:57:50+00:00 ID: jspxam2
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
-Evelyn Beatrice Hall
I personally think that the ones who are burning the quoran is kinda ignorant, stupid and are most certainly trying to get a reaction. But they are well in their rights to do so. Freedom of speach and freedom of expression is a thing in Sweden and nothing to be suppressed by any person, leader, cause, religion etc.
ProbablyUncertain at 2023-07-20 12:21:49+00:00 ID: jsqa96v
Quran burnings don't make sense, but getting upset over them doesn't either.
Exciting_Swordfish16 at 2023-07-20 12:11:45+00:00 ID: jsq8kv0
Probably to show that a religion like islam isn't compatible with modern western values.
Sebsyx at 2023-07-20 11:01:32+00:00 ID: jspn4tf
Because you can.