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The Biden administration has announced a proposal to “strengthen its Lead and Copper Rule that would require water systems to replace lead service lines within 10 years,” the White House said in a statement on Thursday.

According to the White House, more than 9.2 million American households connect to water through lead pipes and lead service lines and, due to “decades of inequitable infrastructure development and underinvestment,” many Americans are at risk of lead exposure.

“There is no safe level of exposure to lead, particularly for children, and eliminating lead exposure from the air, water, and homes is a crucial component of the Biden-Harris Administration’s historic commitment to advancing environmental justice,” the Biden administration said.

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[–] _haha_oh_wow_ 154 points 8 months ago (14 children)

Can't wait for the GOP to sabotage this so they can oWn ThE LiBs: "Lead free pipes are for socialists!"

[–] [email protected] 60 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

I've long wondered if lead exposure accounts for their behaviors over the past couple decades. Lead that accumulates in the bones over one's lifetime leaches out into the bloodstream when one becomes elderly, like calcium does with osteoporosis. Cognitive issues and rage are associated with lead exposure.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I've long wondered if lead exposure accounts for their behaviors over the past couple decades.

That's exactly what has happened.

Imagine, if you will, a country that has a lot of land area, which uses personal ground transport to grt around. Imagine if, for decades, those personal transport machines used large, ineffcient engines that ran on a fuel that caused aerosolized lead to be blown into the atmosphere at a staggering rate?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Do not forget lead paint, pipes and crystal.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I'm not sure about that, I've had lead poisoning for thirty years and I'm still not stupid enough to support those assholes.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (3 children)

it's dose dependant, and while your particular neurological effects may be different, in population studies for almost every country where lead has been banned, there is a direct relationship to violent crimes as well. Lead gasoline use goes up, crime rate goes up. Lead gasoline stops, and as the lead is measured to leave the environment, the violent crime goes down.

Intelligence is only one possible thing affected. It's also highly associated with emotional impulsiveness.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago

"We don't want any of your leftist 'woke' pipes!"

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

I can already hear my boomer father bitching

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Flip your district blue in 18 years with this one weird trick!

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is a greater threat to the republicans than gerrymandering is to the democrats!

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (11 children)

Huzzah! Another great move by the Biden administration that will probably be overlooked by most commenters, like his labor board appointments that led to the recent union resurgence were.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 8 months ago (9 children)

Those that purposely destroyed the water systems with cuts in Flint Michigan should have been quartered in a public square.

Sadly in reality they probably received bonuses and perks.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Those that caused the switchover to Flint River water that resulted in the disaster surfacing definitely should be drawn and quartered, no question. Snyder and his city managers put all this nonsense in motion and should be charged with crimes against humanity.

However, it's also a systemic, deeper problem in the US. Flint's pipes didn't suddenly become terrible overnight. The entire water system was in disrepair for decades. The only reason it didn't surface sooner was they were regulating the water going through it to hold the demons at bay. Even when it was working, pre-disaster, the water was safe to drink, but horrible from a drinking water perspective.

The whole system was a giant leaking piece of junk that basically kept working due to positive pressure pushing contaminants out of the leaks, and the pH level being maintained so the old pipes wouldn't start leeching into the water. That a GM engine plant had to switch water sources because the water was damaging the engine construction is just mind-blowing. Human bodies are vastly more delicate than engines.

Flint's not the only one either, many American cities with aging water infrastructure that wasn't properly maintained all have/had similar problems.

We are such a short-sighted country that seems to so quickly forget that our infrastructure requires constant maintenance and updates. I really think the generation that got to live among all the New Deal and post WWII infrastructure just thought they lived in a magic time where all this stuff just exists forever, rather than realizing it takes stewardship to keep things "the way they are". Now, we on the back end, reap the rewards of everything falling apart at the same time, faster than we can fix it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

We are such a short-sighted country

We see about as far as the next quarter's profits. That seems to be the marker. Apparently, the future isn't really worth looking at past that.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Just another day on which I as a European am absolutely shocked how shit the quality of life in the US is.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

Europe has lead pipes as well, buddy.

They're perfectly safe as long as idiots don't change the water supply to one that's more acidic without buffering the pH.

Hell, England and Wales have nearly 3x more than the entire US.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)

That isn't perfectly safe. That is normally safe, but once in a while something will go wrong and they become unsafe.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 8 months ago (7 children)

We currently have the freedom to drink lead tainted water, can you say the same?

[–] [email protected] 70 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Yes. 25% of domestic residences still use lead piping in the EU, compared to 10% in the US.

Europeans "Try Not To Talk Shit About Something You're Actually Worse About" Challenge:

Impossible.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

But it feeeels like they should be better! Don't bring facts into the Europe self-suck contest

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

That data is still from 2009 though, but sadly there doesn't seem to be a newer statistic. Since that time many changes were made to push for the removal of old lead piping in the EU.

Anyway the threshold for lead in drinking water in the EU is 10ug/L since 2013.
Since 2020 a regulation has been in effect with the goal to have less than 5 ug/L drinking water at the consumer until 2036 everywhere in the EU.
https://publications.jrc.ec.europa.eu/repository/handle/JRC125733

The US has a threshold of 15 ug/L.

https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/csem/leadtoxicity/safety_standards.html#:~:text=EPA's%20action%20level%20for%20lead,systems%20is%2015%20%C2%B5g%2FL.

https://extension.psu.edu/lead-in-drinking-water

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You don't even have pipes in Europe. You drink water that you squeeze out of your sheep's wool

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (4 children)

It’s worth noting that 9.2 million homes is an extremely small percentage of American homes and I’d say almost all of them are extremely rural homes or dying rural towns that just need relocated. Think of North Dakota as akin to the Siberian oblasts or northern Finland, neither get a lot of infrastructure care because no almost one is there. This is the Biden admin trying to look out for the little guy that’s been ignored the last century

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There the Democrats go again not doing anything!

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 8 months ago (1 children)

While we're digging shit up, lets lay some fiber.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 8 months ago (3 children)

This has the potential to save democracy itself. If we can hold out 30-50 years.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 8 months ago (15 children)

Amazing that this has not been done decades ago.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (5 children)

To be completely fair, a layer builds up in the pipe which stops the lead being an issue unless you royally fuck up like Flint. That said, it still should've been fixed

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 8 months ago (14 children)

This has been often speculated as being the cause of the "Stupid American" stereotype. Good decision

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (17 children)

This is great. 10 years seems long, but it is a huge project. Glad it will be started soon.

Edit: Aw shit. This is only a proposal. At least we are talking about it.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (9 children)

Here you go.

"An initial estimate is that 25% of domestic dwellings in the EU have a lead pipe, either as a connection to the water main, or as part of the internal plumbing, or both, potentially putting 120 million people at risk from lead in drinking water within the EU. "

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This is a hugely underrated win imo. We have no idea the damage lead is doing to us, we can only guess the damage in health problems is in the billions. Politicians usually don't give a shit about this so for Biden to do so is a big outstretched hand and big achievement

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

Why suit man take my sweet water?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago

I know the GOP will hate this plan, and want people dumber.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Can you imagine if this turns out to be the thing that was needed to calm you lot down?

In a major new study (conducted decades ago) it turns out that Lead in your water/food/air is bad for you

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (10 children)

Waiting for a Republican to call this a woke, gay, Chinese conspiracy or whatever.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

my little town is replacing all the water mains.. when the streets above them need repair or rebuilding, along with the lines to customers where needed. they've done two streets in the last ten years, each about 8-10 blocks long. they've got a long ways to go. 10 years ain't nearly enough time unless someone is gonna pony-up a ton of cash.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

If almost guarantee the federal government will throw a couple billion at this, the local utilities will mismanage it, and the project will be completed in 2050 after another round or two of investment and maybe the army Corp of engineers taking over from bubba’s utility coop

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