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At the moment i have a 13700f and it looks like i have a cpu bottleneck with my current gpu (a 4090) and im not sure what would be the best option for upgrading since im also a bit flat on money now since i got my new gpu

Also im not sure if the prices here in my country are high but the 13900k is about 700 USD and the 14900k is about 800usd and the 14700k is about 500usd.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

That's the reason why I'm going all in tomorrow & spending a whoppin $4312 dollars at Microcenter for a gaming rig LOL

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't upgrade unless you really need higher frame rates.

If you do upgrade, I'd buy the cheapest of the three as they'll perform similarly. I would also consider the 13700k if you can save more.

You'll need a substantial cooler especially if you want to overclock.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

13700K vs 13700F is not worth the upgrade cost-wise. 14900K is the most cost-effective upgrade given it will yield 12% and 50% speed gains in single-thread and multi-thread applications, respectively

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

13700k is already pretty damn good you shouldn't need to upgrade, you already have all 8 pcores.

But sure if you want you could get a 14700k or 14900k. Probably 14900k if you want to see a difference. But again, it will be small. You already have 95% of the gaming performance avaliable on the socket.

Are you sure you're not experiencing, like a game engine limitation or something? What are you trying to do that you can't?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

But I have the 13700f not a k...

Its cuz whenever i play games after i switched my gpu i cant get higher than 70% utilisation on the gpu where my cpu is pushing all it can

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Oh I see. Sorry I missed that. Yeah I suppose a 14700k wouldn't be a bad upgrade since you can still get pretty good money for your existing cpu. Your all core boost would go from 5.1 to 5.5. Thats something. But just so you know, it can be hard to get 100% utilization out of the 4090 on any cpu, especially at lower resolutions.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Let's assume you get a 14900K then, overclock it to 6 GHz P-cores using direct die cooling, and throw on 8000 MT/s DDR5 with a Z790 Apex Encore for good measure. You're now somewhere around 30% faster in games than your previous setup, and GPU utilization will occasionally hit 90% instead of 70%

All for the neat sum of roughly 2000 USD

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

a 14900K is about what? 5-10% faster? not worth it, wait a few months and buy a 8800X3D

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

lol 8800X3D requires basically a whole new computer

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

The difference is how well AMD supports their platform to be honest. AM5 could easily last someone ten years. I’d say it’s absolutely atleast worth considering. Until Intel abandons their current socket and platform changes I’ll absolutely never go back.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Also… 14900K vs 13700F is 12% faster single-core and 50% faster multi-core.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

yeah.. most people dont care about multithreading, and yeah, 12% st is important, but 8800X3D is said to deliver 20% better st? read that even 30% is possible, while being way way more efficient and like 30-40% better in gaming... 14900K is a waste of money if already have the 13700

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

and i say that an i9 is pointless as a 13900K owner, ill upgrade ASA 8800X3Ds are available

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

As a 13700F and 14900K owner I’ll say that I’ll be waiting to see how the 8800X3Ds actually perform before even thinking about getting one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Just get a good cooler and overclock the 13700k. I'm currently at 5.9 ghz all core

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

But I have an f model and not a k model...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ahh I see. Didn't catch that. What resolution do you play on ?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Im playing on 2560x1440p

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Also what's the rest of your system look like. Ram speed ect?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The 13700 none k should be able to run similar to the 13700k. Does it manage to maintain a good boost clocks? If not you should be able to get a better cooler and adjust CPU and ram bios settings so that it should be good enough for a 4090. Struggling to believe you feel the need to upgrade with a 13700f.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

There are plenty of YouTube videos that show about 5% difference between a 13700f and a 13900k in game. Does your setup perform better than average in 3d mark? I'm getting it off here the posts on this thread are insane.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

My advice-

Just enjoy your game. There's always something more you can do, always something better. Even if your rocking a 4090 and 7950x3d, 7800x3d, 14900k, 13900k, exc exc you will still find yourself pushing and wanting to see how much more you can get. I've been heavily debating doing a water loop on my build pretty much for the same reason you want a better processor. Just to see bigger numbers. Its not like your games are running poorly or unplayable. Not like your going to get more enjoyment and a better experience with a slightly faster CPU that can push a couple of extra frames.

Fomo is a bitch. Your goal of using the 4090 a long time like "the 1080ti ppl" is kinda counter productive to your goal of "upgrading" a 13th gen to a 14th gen CPU.

If you gonna do it, I feel like you're probably going to kick yourself if you don't get the 14900k. It's really the only "upgrade" worth anything from where you are now and even that is debatable. To get anything less is extra pointless imo.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

So well said

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You have a resolution bottleneck.

Just crank up your numbers and the CPU bottleneck will be gone :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Already tried that 😅 it didnt help sadly 😢

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Turn off dllss or others and use up sampling if you thrive for 100% usage and wasting power

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Please don't upgrade. People place way too much emphasis on bottlenecks. I have a 4080 and a 9700k, I'm obviously bottlenecked but I really have zero negativity when gaming.

The microcenter bundles currently going on are tempting me because for $500 I can get a 14700k/mobo/16gigs ddr5 ram and sell my old system for like $200.

In your case just wait. 14th Gen is a minor refresh so hopefully Intel brings out some big gains next year.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Well its just really anoying that i spend about 2k on a 4090 to o ly get about the same performance in most games

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Turn up your graphics and you'll see the major difference.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But I am already playing at max settings

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

OP get the 14900k and don’t look back.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

What GPU were you using before? What games are we talking about?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Instead of buying a new expensive ass CPU to alleviate a bottleneck that will always exist. I think you should use that money to get a mini led 4k monitor instead while they're on sale for Black Friday. It'll solve your GPU bottleneck and provide a better image, especially with HDR.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

im also a bit flat on money now since i got my new gpu

if i was in your situation i would save my spare change a year or so then purchase the next generation processor...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yeah but to be honest if i really wanted to i could buy a 14700f every month And still save a little bit...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

But you also said you are flat on money, so which one is it? The fact that you could buy 4090 / can buy 14900k doesn't mean you should

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

that’s some very flawed budget-logic

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

....No you do not have a bottleneck....(both Intel 13.Gen CPU and 40.Nvidia had release in October 2022).

The so called "best" should be the 14900k (of course), but you won't recognize thaaat much of a difference. If you have the money and the desire, treat yourself.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I have a 13700k not overclocked and a 4090 and I don't see a bottleneck at all, everything runs very well. Is something else happening you may not be recognizing? Upgrading to a 14 series won't do much for you expect cost you money, by all accounts it would be closer to a "sideways" upgrade over an actual increase in performance.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Before upgrading your CPU

  1. What fps do you get?
  2. What is your screen resolution? Refresh rate?
  3. What is your game config? Which games?

Do you play CS 2 and getting only 400 fps instead of 600 on 1440p and it bothers you? Or do you play 4k games with RT on maxed out graphics but not fully utilizing your GPU?

13700f is fairly strong, and should be capable of handling relatively high frame rates, so your game configuration might have a lot to do with your bottleneck.

If you are tight on money DON'T upgrade your PC, especially if it's just because of neglectable bottleneck.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Quit watching YouTube videos about performance benchmarks and go play some games with your overpowered system, man. And turn off stat monitoring, it's messing with your anxiety. Your PC is among the top 1% worldwide.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I'm guilty of this obsessive need to keep track of my PC's stats during gaming. I'm still running an i7 4790k + RTX 3060. The CPU has been with me since Dec 2014. 😅

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

13900k for sure , 14900 is a disaster Gen , The same architecture and more expensive , Also the 14700k on the power efficiency consumes the almost the same like the 13900k or 14900k and with worse performance , So would recommand you to take the 13900k

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

lol wtf is this nonsense man.

From a 13700F, the 14700K is 9% faster single-thread and 31% faster multi-thread (it literally has more cores)

The 14900K is 12% faster single-thread and 50%!!! faster multi-thread compared to 13700F

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

14700k if you don't need to do work with software related stuff, 14900k if you just wanna do everything.

13th gen doesn't have APO so forget about that.

Also 13700 is fine, no need for an upgrade at least for another 5-7 years.

Nothing should be bottlenecking generally either way unless you're running a demanding game at 4k or doing some processor-heavy stuff.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Doubt it's the CPU. Max boost on those things is 5.2GHz stock boost. On 13700K it's 5.3-5.4GHz and so forth. So you're saying 200-600MHz is going to get rid of your bottleneck? It could very well be the game you're playing is not optimized. Because compare them all:

13700F up to 5.2GHz stock boost 8/16 +8

13700K up to 5.4GHz stock boost 8/16 +8

14700K up to 5.6GHz stock boost 8/16 +12

13900K up to 5.8GHz stock boost 8/16 +16

14900K up to 6.0GHz stock boost 8/16 +16

So going from 5.2 to say 5.6-6.0GHz will not eliminate a bottleneck so there is something else, if you want to max out your GPU then go 4K. At 1440p you shouldn't be getting a bottleneck and could just be the game you're playing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

You will always have cpu bottleneck even with 14900k. No cpu available can supply enough instruction to a 4090 to max it out. If i were you, id turn of your monitor program and enjoy the game. Youre chasing yt figures that arent relevant

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Even with a 14900K you could still find yourself behind a 7800X3D, so what's the point?

Also, how are you even CPU limited right now? Just get a better monitor, that's likely the real bottleneck

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I just don't think ur bottleneck is the cpu. Look elsewhere

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