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How do y'all cope with this

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[–] [email protected] 103 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (32 children)

I struggle every day with the thought that the corporate noose tightening around all of our necks will not be solved unless we as a society begin to provide some real ... 'mortal incentive' to the oligarchs of the world. No way I could ever do it myself, but I understand the need for it now more than ever.

Normally I'm a solutions guy. I shouldn't be coming up with this as a solution for the issues of the world right now, but it's gotten so egregious that the systems we've put in place FOR THE PEOPLE are not working for the people any longer.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Threat of force is a solution.

It's basically what the police exist to do - behave the way we want, or we'll send someone with a gun to take your money, property, freedom, or life.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (30 children)

All authority is derived from the monopolization of violence.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

It's not like they're giving us much choice

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[–] justastranger 77 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Blowing up fossil fuel infrastructure is a moronic idea that'll create an environmental disaster worse than the infrastructure existing. Instead, sabotage it so that it stops flowing.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Right?! All the dumbfucks talking about blowing up pipelines want to trade one environmental disaster for another. Its pathetically misguided.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Good point, way less environmental damage to do something about the execs and billionaires in this world

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How about a foreign fossil fuel infrastructure first?

-Your friendly neighborhood CIA agent

/s

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Hey got any fun terror plans I can hop in on? Just text me the address and I'm there.

-Your friendly neighborhood FBI informant.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Are you morally obligated or are you ethically obligated? Or is it both?

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago

I'm just here to blow shit up tbh

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you morally obligated or are you ethically obligated? Or is it both?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

difference?

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago

There are two wolves inside me

One wants to discuss the moral obligation to commit acts of sabotage against fossil fuels infrastructure that is killing the planet

The other wants to have good opsec and not possibly incriminate myself for future actions I may or may not be involved in by posting

Disclaimer for any feds reading this: I am a clown and everything I do/say/post is hypothetical and/or for comedy only janet-wink

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

If you blew up fossil fuel infrastructure, you'd go to jail. The US blew up Nord Stream, nothing happened. We truly live in a society joker-dancing

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As the situation worsens it's only a matter of time before rampant eco-terrorism, if we're not all too busy dying in water wars of course.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Blowing it up will not stop them as they'd just rebuild. More pollution in the process.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

they'd just rebuild

that's why you have to kill the people in charge as well.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Yeah, I assume there's gotta be a better way. Like clogging it beyond repair (shut off+completely solidified), siphoning operations (assuming a spill isn't caused)... And in either case, converting it into something less bad and/or storing the carbon in a stable manner.

(Although even rebuilding from what I see may be at least $1M-$2M per mile, they sure have the money but it's not insignificant either)

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just killing billionaires is probably the best option

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can we run a Go Fund Me to hire a hitman?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Flash mob might work better.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I heard they protect the pipelines near places where it's easy to access and they know pretty quickly where the break happened so they can find you. It's quite difficult to actually figure out how to blow up a pipeline and not immediately get arrested.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There are thousands of miles of pipeline, Im not so sure.

For all their bluster, did the FBI ever find the guy(s) who shot up the substation in south carolina last year? No it isn't a pipeline, and it was attacked for dumbass rightoid reasons, but... did they ever find who did it?

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same thoughts, my mind even came up with a good plan. Drones equipped with remote activated termite pots. It melts through steel easily and fossil fuels burn. You can do this from a distance and it uses cheap available materials. I don't have the guts to do it though... So it remains an Idea.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Thermite pots? Or maybe scary GM termites

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've looped around to sadomasochism.

Destroy the world! Kill us all! Burn me more daddy!!! 👐 😩 💦

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If the us and China had a nuclear war the planet might survive.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

How do I cope? Video games that let me blow up infrastructure.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

How do y'all cope with this

Start small, do sabo stuff like tree spiking first which has this outcome, transition to occupying weapons factories (with an org), gain experience before branching out.

sabo

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Monkey Wrench gang gang

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)
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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Who gives a fuck if you end up on a list? The only list you should be worried about is Santa's good list and that's not for another two months

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I imagine dying doing some act of eco terrorism and then imagine my soul going to heaven where I meet Vladimir Lenin who calls me a liberal for doing an adventurism and then writes an entire book about how stupid I am

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I smell a new tagline!

[–] VintageTech 8 points 1 year ago

Smash the Petroliarchy!!!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No watchlists on lemmy post away ;)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

That is a BOLD assumption no three letter agency scrapes data from Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Small companies measure their hard drive capacity in Gigabytes/Terrabytes. Large companies measure their hard drive capacities in Petabytes/Heptabytes. The NSA measures their hard drive capacity in acreage.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I would, but this bad air quality thanks to our fossil fuel industry has given me pretty bad asthma and other respetory problems resulting in low energy.

Too sleepy.

Y'all blow it up for me tho, ya? Imma take a nap.

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