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How do y'all cope with this

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[–] [email protected] 103 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (32 children)

I struggle every day with the thought that the corporate noose tightening around all of our necks will not be solved unless we as a society begin to provide some real ... 'mortal incentive' to the oligarchs of the world. No way I could ever do it myself, but I understand the need for it now more than ever.

Normally I'm a solutions guy. I shouldn't be coming up with this as a solution for the issues of the world right now, but it's gotten so egregious that the systems we've put in place FOR THE PEOPLE are not working for the people any longer.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Threat of force is a solution.

It's basically what the police exist to do - behave the way we want, or we'll send someone with a gun to take your money, property, freedom, or life.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

All authority is derived from the monopolization of violence.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Intellectual authority? Moral authority? I'm not sure it's quite that clear-cut.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Those are subjective, it is indeed that clear cut. Authority is derived by power over others, now try to exert your authority over someone without violence.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ohhh - "I'm right if you ignore counter-factual examples and other commonly used definitions in favour of my hyper-specific definition."

Sure - if we dismiss examples where authority isn't derived from violence, you're correct. Congratulations.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

What factual example are you referring to aside from the ones I directly referenced in my argument.

So explain it. You're the intellectual authority on the matter, now exert this authority without violence. Go on, I'll wait.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (25 children)

You've deferred to me as the authority on this matter. I'm correct without the need to use force.

Examples such as being an intellectual or moral authority don't rely on force. I'll defer to the intellectual authority that is the Oxford English Dictionary on this one, and point out you're definitionally wrong.

In either instance, these authorities aren't maintained by force, only the fact that people view them as the authority. Denying said authority isn't going to see the dictionary police come and drag you away - people will just think you're kinda dumb.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

It's not like they're giving us much choice

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