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[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Blowing it up will not stop them as they'd just rebuild. More pollution in the process.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago

they'd just rebuild

that's why you have to kill the people in charge as well.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I assume there's gotta be a better way. Like clogging it beyond repair (shut off+completely solidified), siphoning operations (assuming a spill isn't caused)... And in either case, converting it into something less bad and/or storing the carbon in a stable manner.

(Although even rebuilding from what I see may be at least $1M-$2M per mile, they sure have the money but it's not insignificant either)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Find the substation powering a section of pipeline?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Come on, if the Russians/Americans/Ukrainians can blow up the 1st Nordstrom pipeline, and scare both Germany and Russia from starting the other pipeline, why not? /s

Jokes aside though, who knows what will happen if someone holds up some oil dock workers at gunpoint and orders them to stop the flow of oil and scatter.

One can essentially sanction the world en masse, with just a dozen people

Plus, if that gunman or gunmen can hold the infrastructure as a shield from the resulting police and military, it can used as a negotiation tool with them temporarily, or if things go to shit, they will otherwise just show the ruthlessness and brutality of the state apparatus in using drone strikes etc....

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Going after critical national infrastructure like that will get you 5 GTA stars and the national guard on your ass in minutes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

If they hit their own balls, in trying to wipe the infrastructure hostage-taker out, that's their problem (see: MOVE bombings of 1985)