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[–] [email protected] 88 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Which language provides the most random alphabetically sorted sequence?

Data
|  N | Eng | Dut | Ger | Tur | Chi | Lex |
|----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----|
|  1 |   8 |   8 |   8 |   6 |   8 |   1 |
|  2 |  11 |   3 |   3 |   5 |   2 |  10 |
|  3 |   5 |   1 |   1 |   1 |   9 |  11 |
|  4 |   4 |  11 |  11 |   9 |   6 |  12 |
|  5 |   9 |   9 |   5 |   4 |   3 |   2 |
|  6 |   1 |  10 |   9 |   2 |   4 |   3 |
|  7 |   7 |  12 |   6 |  10 |   7 |   4 |
|  8 |   6 |   2 |   7 |  11 |  10 |   5 |
|  9 |  10 |   4 |   4 |  12 |  12 |   6 |
| 10 |   3 |   5 |  10 |   8 |  11 |   7 |
| 11 |  12 |   6 |   2 |   3 |   5 |   8 |
| 12 |   2 |   7 |  12 |   7 |   1 |   9 |

Sourced from comments in thread (English from image, Dutch from [email protected], German from [email protected] , Turkish from some rando, Chinese from [email protected], Lexicographical from [email protected])

Plot with Correlation Scores

We will compute the pearson correlation (r-statistic) score by comparing the base number (column 1) with the corresponding language column. We will also compute the Serial correlation, by creating staggered columns that measure how close a number is in a sequence to the one before it.

Staggered Table

cat alphabetic.tab \
    | awk '{print $0"\t"prE"\t"prD"\t"prG"\t"prT"\t"prC"\t"prL;prE=$2;prD=$3;prG=$4;prT=$5;prC=$6;prL=$7}' \
    | tee alphabetic.tab.stagger

Plot Code

gnuplot -p -e '
  set xlabel "Base Sequence";
  set ylabel "Alphabetic";
  set xtics 1,1,12;
  set ytics 1,1,12;
  set title "Alphabetic Number Plot with Correlation Score";
  set rmargin 25; set key at graph 1.5,0.9;
  set size ratio 0.45;

  stats "alphabetic.tab.stagger" using 1:2 name "E";
  stats "" using 1:3 name "D";
  stats "" using 1:4 name "G";
  stats "" using 1:5 name "T";
  stats "" using 1:6 name "C";
  stats "" using 1:7 name "L";
  
  stats "" using 2:8 name "ES";
  stats "" using 3:9 name "DS";
  stats "" using 4:10 name "GS";
  stats "" using 5:11 name "TS";
  stats "" using 6:12 name "CS";
  stats "" using 7:13 name "LS";

  set label 1 sprintf("%10s  %6s  %6s", "", "Base", "Stagger") at graph 1.07,0.95;

  plot "" using 1:2 with lines lw 3 title sprintf("%10s  %+.3f  %+.3f", "English", E_correlation, ES_correlation),
       "" using 1:3 with lines lw 3 title sprintf("%10s  %+.3f  %+.3f", "Dutch", D_correlation, DS_correlation),
       "" using 1:4 with lines lw 3 title sprintf("%10s  %+.3f  %+.3f", "German", G_correlation, GS_correlation),
       "" using 1:5 with lines lw 3 title sprintf("%10s  %+.3f  %+.3f", "Turkish", T_correlation, TS_correlation),
       "" using 1:6 with lines lw 3 title sprintf("%10s  %+.3f  %+.3f", "Chinese", C_correlation, CS_correlation),
       "" using 1:7 with lines lw 1 title sprintf("%10s  %+.3f  %+.3f", "Lexicon", L_correlation, LS_correlation)
'

It looks like Dutch has the lowest (near 0) correlation to both the base sequence and it's own staggered sequence, with Turkish mirroring it's staggered randomness somewhat.

The least random alphabetic sequences are English and German.


Updated: Added chinese and staggered analysis.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

c/dataisbeautiful

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago

You put a lot of work into this.

[–] FeatherConstrictor 15 points 2 days ago

Thank you for doing and sharing this

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

This is the second comment I've seen like this from you.

Please never stop.

[–] diemartin 3 points 2 days ago

I didn't expect soneone to put that much effort into it.

Thanks! This is awesome!

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I recently found out that javascript's .sort() function, when called without arguments on an array of numbers, converts them all to strings and sorts them alphabetically 🤡

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I'm a C programmer. My first time writing Javascript and ran into some sort of bug involving a === sign or something. Javascript is a silly language.

[–] diemartin 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)
console.log("10"+1); // "101"
console.log("10"-1); // 9
[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The epitomy of irony is a JavaScript developer insisting that some other language is "a fractal of bad design" without immediately acknowledging that JS is weird as hell.

[–] diemartin 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I like Lua's design. Separate addition (x+y) and concatenation (x..y) operators ftw!

Edit: and just, like, everything else about Lua too

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I will have to look into it soon. It has a JIT compiler. I like that.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Javascript lets you compare unlike types without extra steps using ==. If you want strict comparison where “2” isn’t 2, use === and !==. Personally, I find that easier than having to parseint or cast every damn thing or whatever c does (strtol?). That said, I have build tools set up to enforce strict comparison because I don’t trust myself or others.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

If one is alphabetising things, which cones first "A" or "AA"?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

This is extremely sick. I'm going to cancel my Disney account.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Acht, drie, een, elf, negen, tien, twaalf, twee, vier, vijf, zes, zeven.

8, 3, 1, 11, 9, 10, 12, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I don't even know 100% that this is Dutch, but Dutch so often reads and sounds like someone German who doesn't know English trying to speak English and I love the language because of it ❤️

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[–] tja 12 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Acht, drei, eins, elf, fünf, neun, sechs, sieben, vier, zehn, zwei, zwölf

8, 3, 1, 11, 5, 9, 6, 7, 4, 10, 2, 12

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

Ah there it is. The real language, not the one a confused toddler trying to learn German speaks

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Lexicographical clock

1 10 11 12 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You’re missing 2

1 10 11 12 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

[–] wander1236 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

2 is overrated ~~tbh~~ 2bh

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

2 is over~~rate~~8d ~~tbh~~ 2bh

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

Thanks, i hate it :)

[–] captain_aggravated 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Okay, here's the challenge: Make it always tell the correct time 8:30 should point to the 8 with the little hand and the 6 with the big hand. And 8:35 shoudl point to the 7 with the big hand.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

I both love and hate this

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Was thinking the same thing. This has to be possible, within reason of course

[–] captain_aggravated 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I could get it done with a couple stepper motors, an Arduino, probably a couple hall effect sensors.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In that case, I am officially challenging you. But if you do end up doing it. My instance is shutting down on Monday, so you won't be able to tag me :(

[–] captain_aggravated 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Make an account elsewhere and comment on this post.

Challenge accepted.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] captain_aggravated 1 points 21 hours ago

It's on the docket, It may be winter before I get around to it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Interestingly it would be right twice a day

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'd think four times: 4:20, 4:35, 7:20, 7:35

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm stupid and read the clock wrong and didn't check even a little.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Portuguese

cinco, dez, dois, doze, nove, oito, onze, quatro, seis, sete, três, um

5 10 2 12 9 8 11 4 6 7 3 1

cinco, dez, dois, doze, meia, nove, oito, onze, quatro, sete, três, um

5 10 2 12 6 9 8 11 4 7 3 1

(six can be "seis" or "meia")

[–] diemartin 5 points 2 days ago

Mine is Spanish

Cinco (5), cuatro (4), diez (10), doce (12), dos (2), nueve (9),, ocho (8), once (11), seis (6), siete (7), tres (3), una (1)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

It's 9 o'clock somewhere!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

If a mechanical clock or watch was like that it would be one hell of a fascinating movement

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

What time is it?
It's Beer O'clock!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The numbers are sorted by their English spellings.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (5 children)

What?

Two, Eight, Eleven, — not gonna type it all out because it’s already wrong.

What am I missing here?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

"Two" is the last one. The order starts with "eight".

Think about it: on a real analogue clock, where is the smallest number and where is the largest?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

I was equally confused initially, but then I looked at the clock in my house and realized that the number up top is the highest number, 12, and not 0. So the first number in the ordering is at the position of the 1 of a normal clock.

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