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If you needed yet another reason to quit smoking, here it is.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

So many people don't realise the reality of cigarette waste.

"It's just one small butt" adds up to:

  • 4.5 TRILLION butts littered globally each year - - Enough to circle the Earth 300 times if placed end to end

"It's just paper and cotton" - NOPE:

  • The filter is plastic (cellulose acetate)
  • Contains over 15,000 plastic fibres
  • Takes up to 14 years to break down
  • Even then, it just becomes microplastics

"Rain will wash it away" - Yeah, right into:

  • Storm drains
  • Rivers
  • Oceans
  • Fish (they mistake them for food)

"At least it's not toxic" - Actually:

  • One butt can contaminate up to 40 liters of water
  • Contains arsenic, lead, nicotine, and other toxins
  • Kills fish, birds, and other wildlife
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

I knew about the first part and the third and fourth, but I had no idea that it also contributed so much to plastic pollution.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

That's crazy! I didn't even realize they had plastic in them. Makes you wonder how many inconspicuous everyday items have the potential to become plastic waste.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Car tires are supposed to be bad. I remember reading each loses ~1kg in pulverised plastic dust over the lifetime?
Luckily, at least some of that is filtered from the air by people's lungs.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh, do you know what else? Paint. Apparently, a lot of studies didn't account for microplastics that came from several types of paint that end up in the environment. Scary stuff.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Like that paint that they use on highways that needs to be reapplied every so often because it disappears

Well, it doesn't just disappear. Microplastics. Highways are doubly bad for plastic waste.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

Oh lord... That's true. I never thought of that. And then we have studies like these. Do you have testicles? Well... You have microplastics in them.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

I didn’t even realized they had plastic in them.

you didn't WHAT THE F???

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

No, I didn't. Why the animosity? Do you perhaps go around looking at cigarette butts thinking "Oh... those have the potential to become plastic waste?"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I have on many occasions cleaned up the discarded cigarettes stubs of some inconsiderate shithead smoker, yes. But even without that, unless you live in Singapore, you should have enough awareness about whats going on around you to notice a pattern after a couple of years that you never see cigarette stubs in any form of decomposition, only the fibers coming apart.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Congratulations, good Samaritan. Do you want a cookie for your efforts? I just hadn’t specifically thought about cigarettes, which I clearly pointed out in my original comment. If you've noticed, good for you. I hadn’t. But spare me the condescension.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

It used to be cotton, didn't it
Or even asbestos at some point lol

[–] [email protected] 4 points 18 hours ago

I need some of those asbestos filters. My brand isn't giving me cancer fast enough.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago

Asbestos may be - but no cigarette bud I have ever seen has decomposed. So definitely none of the millions I've had to see has ever been made of organic materials. And I would have a hard time believing that I simply never saw an organic cigarette bud in an intermediate decomposition stage. So they haven't been used in any significant amount during my lifetime.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago

Some exec at RJ Reynolds in the 40's

"The damn government is making us take asbestos out of the filters. What can we put instead?"

"I know, how bout some space aged plastic!"

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Aren’t microplastics from car tires more common?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

Presumably plastic pollution is a superset of microplastic pollution

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I thought so too, and maybe they are using a different metric in this article, but I couldn't tell you since their source URL is a deadline.......

https://www.surfrider.org/programs/beach-cleanups

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This article is quite likely fake news. The first paper cited only says they're the most common pollution on beaches.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0013935119300787

[–] kablammy 2 points 19 hours ago

The metric is also "count", not volume/mass, so not a very useful metric at all.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

I also remember Coke, Pepsi, and Nestle being claimed as the highest plastic polluters as well.

[–] [email protected] 92 points 2 days ago (23 children)

I live in the US and it's becoming more and more unusual in many places to see people smoking. As a result, I see fewer discarded cigarette butts than ever. Still not zero, but getting there.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's one of those big cultural shifts that has gone on in my life slowly but steadily. I recall my school bus driver would smoke doing his rounds, people smoking almost everywhere, even grocery stores. My family had lots of smokers, 3 out of my 4 grandparents smoked, all paid the piper, the habit led to their demise. Vending machines selling cigarettes everywhere. I recall it first was restricted on airplanes, with smoking sections separated with curtains, then in restaurants. A lot of it was ineffective and mostly symbolic, but then the biggest change was when California banned almost all indoor smoking in businesses, other states followed suit over the next decade. That combined with all the legal problems the tobacco industry had in the 90s has really caused a dramatic shift.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 days ago (4 children)

It's the hardest thing about traveling to Europe for me. I love being in Europe, but after living in a part of the US with almost no smokers it is jarring to smell cigarette smoke everywhere on the streets there.

[–] nitefox 2 points 6 hours ago

I notice fewer people smoke here as well tbf

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago (11 children)

I live in the U.S. too and I still see a ton here in Indiana, but we also apparently have a nicotine addiction epidemic here that no one talks about much.

As of 2022:

Nearly 29% of Indiana adults currently use tobacco. Combustible cigarettes are the most used tobacco product, followed by e-cigarettes.

https://www.in.gov/health/tpc/files/Indiana-Adult-Tobacco-Survey-ATS-2021_2022-Highlights_Revised_Nov22.pdf

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

I don’t know what the rate is here in Massachusetts, but it’s rare to have to smell cigarettes these days. I really think we’re more likely to (and my kids complain about the stench) encounter pot smokers these days. I can’t help but think that’s a good thing … but have to follow up each with an obligatory dad lecture on the health concerns with putting burning anything in your lungs

Edit: West Virginia, of course

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[–] Imgonnatrythis 39 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Dislike smoking but realize that for addicts often public infrastructure doesn't give you a lot of options for getting rid of butts. Seems like biodegradable butts should be mandatory. On the other hand I will lean into my horn if I see someone throwing butts out of their car. That is inexcusable - get an ashtray for your vehicle.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

flicking your cigarette into the void was completely normal every place that i lived in the US. it isn't thought about or frowned upon. it's simply part of the ritual of having a cigarette.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

When I smoked I always put my butts in my pocket.

It's not hard to pick up after yourself. Put the cig out, and instead of dropping it on the ground put it in your pocket. If thats too stinky carry a sandwich bag or dog poop bag for them.

Now that that's out of the way, it's interesting that birds have been using cigarette butts to line their nests. Turns out nicotine is a great miticide. Hopefully it's not hurting them in the long run, which is why we should pick up our fucking garbage.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago

I wish that was the only need...Ive worked with people who didn't want to walk 5 feet to the ashtray and prefered to flick their butts on the floor, at coffee shops with an outside area most people ignore the ashtrays and just flick it to the street...people are lazy

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I mean, who cares? It's the smokers' problem? If you can't dispose of your trash take it with you or stop producing it until you can. That's true for any trash.

We expect people to carry doggie bags, too. Just clean up after yourself.

I realize that's idealistic and it's never going to happen because smokers be littering, but it makes me mad regardless.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For many smokers, the world is their ashtray.

[–] Imgonnatrythis 1 points 1 day ago

That is a State of mind perhaps, but frankly illegal in many places

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

public infrastructure doesn't give you a lot of options for getting rid of butts

It's literally the same infrastructure as for every other kind of litter: a bin. Just stamp it out and throw it away. If there isn't a bin take it with you and throw it out later. Before I quit smoking I had a small plastic vial with a screw lid that I collected the butts in for later disposal. A small jar, dedicated pocket ash tray or in a pinch even a plastic bag or simply a pocket would work too. It's really not that hard.

I realise you're probably not one of the people who litter their cigarette butts, but you still shouldn't be making excuses for people who do. Throwing cigarettes on the ground is no better than any other kind of littering. And while I'm at it: the same goes for bottle caps.

[–] Imgonnatrythis 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is that safe? Seems like a risk of fire to throw a recently lit butt into a general bin.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

That's why you stamp it out first.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I just get all the tobacco out of the butt and put it in my back pocket until I find a trash can. It makes me stink even worse but that's better than littering.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I thought tires were responsible for like 25% of micro plastics.

Never mind. I just read what I wrote, and realized they're two different things.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 days ago (21 children)

Just ban the filter. Let them smoke raw and unfiltered.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 days ago

We should go back to using natural materials for filters, like asbestos. /s

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