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What are your thoughts on the Lemmy ecosystem?

I've been trying it out for the last week. I have my own opinions, but I'd like to hear others and see if we have common ideas on what is good/bad/indifferent about the Lemmy ecosystem.

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[–] GhiLA 23 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, but no, but yeah.

On Lemmy, individual communities aren't big enough to be communities but the community is big enough to be a community.

So any post that makes it to the front of the entire Fediverse has quite a few familiar faces and feels like old reddit would.

The issue I find with wanting Lemmy to be as big as Reddit is, you're pining for an era of Reddit that doesn't exist anymore. You can't go back to 2011-2020 Reddit. It isn't there to go back to. Bot posts aren't just indistinguishable on occasion, they're upvoted all the same, by other bots.

This is the best you've got. Pitch a tent and make the most of it, fam.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Unfortunately the bot problem is coming to Lemmy.

Bots posting content is already a thing here, and then taking up front page space is already a thing.

Lemmy is speed running "How to lose your sense of community".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 15 minutes ago

Lemmy is developing. Lemmy will be a second Reddit. It will be...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Do you have examples of such bots?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago

for me, yeah. Honestly much better

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

Yes. It’s different, but good.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

it's perfectly fine but there's not enough users

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago

true but recently I've been seeing a slight increase in user activities... 📈

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

14 year Reddit person and leaving was for the best. After the initial "what am I doing", it branched to me checking out Mastodon, then pixelfed, and then Fediverse is awesome. My only real beef is the sports situation is not it. Outside of that I haven't used reddit for a year and don't miss it honestly.

[–] rocky1138 6 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Lemmy is free and libre, but I sorely miss my world news and Ukraine updates.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

[email protected] - obviously not as big as the Ukraine subreddit but there's always new posts.

What do you miss about world news on Reddit?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Try Telegram and the Moon of Alabama for that.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 hours ago

Short answer is No. It suffers from many of the same issues of echo chamber, bias, and bullying. Just on a somewhat smaller scale due to fewer users. And never forget - Winter is coming. There will be a time in the future the bots will notice lemmee and come for it also.

But I suspect this is all a human thing. We are a contentious bunch at best and down right hateful at worst. We build communities only to poison and kill them in the end.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Lemmy communities have the potential to be just as toxic.

That said, the broad majority of interactions I have are very positive.

It really depends on the community choice. I tend to choose Lemmy communities rather than "reddit refuge" communities.

I imagine that plays a big part in my personal experience.

[–] Saledovil 3 points 5 hours ago

I figure with Lemmy having much fewer users, there's less potential for toxic communities to form.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Lemmy is a terrible place but after leaving Reddit after a dozen years, it sucks too. No going back. I kinda want to leave Lemmy - such miserable, hateful echo chamber - but, where would I go?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Yeah, that's more or less how I feel about it. It's like they say, you can't go home again.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Well, I deleted my r account the day they fucked over the app developers. Been here since, so I guess it's a decent alternative. Not as much current content and it's 90% politics on the front page.... That can be filtered out though.

The militant Linux missionaries though, they get blocked. They show up in most tech threads and it got old a year ago.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Hello my dear friend. Can I ask you what distro you are running?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

WRONG here's why Arch is the best, and I know because I spent 13 years getting my first install running

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago

I'm honestly more afraid to offer an opinion or ask a question on Lemmy because there's always some high and mighty jackass that thinks they are the final authority on whatever topic and rather than have a discussion, people seem to just resort to name calling.

At least, that has been my experience.

Otherwise I've enjoyed it. It can be a cool place once you figure out how to block the malcontents.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 hours ago

I was a 15 year Reddit veteran and modded a couple dozen communities over there. I've moved over here with no regrets. The only thing that takes me back to Reddit is search results, and that's getting less and less as more people have abandoned it and deleted comments.

The amount of bots there now is astounding. It's making me believe in the Dead Internet Theory.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I was a Reddit veteran for years, I hate Reddit now and don't use it mostly due to getting random permabans. Lemmy functions well - much better than that dog shit site Reddit, but it's not there yet in terms of communities and activity. There is very little local/regional activity that I miss most from Reddit. Overall, it's effective in the technical sense, but content-wise it is still a very small fraction of what Reddit is unfortunately. And I am not confident it ever will be a true replacement.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago

If you mean "is it full of bougie shitlibs having a circle jerk" then yes, in that vein, it's just like reddit.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Not for science fiction literature, guitar pedals, and synthesizers which was primarily what I went to Reddit for in the first place. There was some effort to get those communities going here back during the mass migration here from Reddit, but they've never really thrived. It sucks, but I'm not going back. I take a peek at r/synthesizers on occasion, and really it's just a gaggle of self-promoting synthtubers and umpteen iterations of "what should I buy?".

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

I think Lemmy has steadily been getting better. For having a good conversation, I think this is the best platform, everyone here seems like actual people I would run into irl.

What I think is still lacking is a way to search up anecdotal evidence on something, that I still heavily rely on reddit for. For instance if I type in google "french press coffee brew time" the only valuable results with the in-depth info I'm looking for are usually youtube videos, which are too long, or reddit threads. So I usually just end up adding site:reddit.com for all those type of search results.

But lemmy is getting good. I could see it replacing some info sources for the more tech-y niches I follow in the near future

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

It has been growing, but it depends on the community the people who are submitting posts of each community. It also depends on the engagement of the discussion and whether participation decays or is allowed to decay into toxicity.

I think Lemmy could be doing a lot more than Reddit, like showing who votes what, but people want the ability without the responsibility or transparency. It's ironic because not only is it perfectly visible to the admins, but there are ways you can get a pretty good idea of who's performing them as a normal . It would help not just in the sense of getting a better idea of why or where someone is coming from and prevent false suspicions, but it would also allow you to keep different groups of users whose recommendations might be something you would like to prioritize over other submissions or whose moderation you'd like to favor over the standard. Abusing the transparency would be easy to denounce and moderate, too.

In regards to the modlog, I don't think it's doing enough, the text in the reason field might as well be "word" and the transparency isn't compensating for the lack of a resolution process that many if not all social networks seem to want to skip. There are still things like no notification of mod actions that affected your comments or your user, and some decisions, like allowing mods to ban you, remove some of your comments while allowing others to remain, shaping or serving a narrative without giving you the ability to delete or edit your contributions while the ban is in place, give foreign instances and communities more power than they should have.

There's no way to contest modlog actions within the modlog, and the maturity of the people has been proven to be very, very questionable when they've been outed. It has also adopted reddit's policy of obfuscating the moderator performing an action even though creating an alt is easier than ever and many of them already have them, which works against the supposed commitment to transparency.

But it's very slightly better than reddit's, and there's nothing like shadow bans here. Parting observations, don't feed your carnivore pet vegetables if you aren't prepared to go all the way to seek and get an approved diet and dietary supplements for a bonafide veterinary, and it's funny seeing all the anarchy people not have a problem with the present power imbalance between the users and the leadership within the current system, but then again, they have a nice instance with the label.

Overall, fuck spez.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

There’s no way to contest modlog actions within the modlog, and the maturity of the people has been proven to be very, very questionable when they’ve been outed. It has also adopted reddit’s policy of obfuscating the moderator performing an action even though creating an alt is easier than ever and many of them already have them, which works against the supposed commitment to transparency.

[email protected] helps a bit with that

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

not in the slightest. But the apps are free

[–] [email protected] 15 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

80% effective. The porn quality is weak.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I spend a lot of time blocking the lewd communities, it's not good for my mental health

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

Also true. The lewd communities are numerous and botty and weak

[–] [email protected] 36 points 16 hours ago

Platform-wise, it's already proven that it's a viable alternative (with some advantages even - the federated nature for one), but content-wise, it has A LOT to catch up (because let's be honest - in addition to all the bullshit and toxic people, Reddit has tons of useful information and good people still).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

I'm pooping on the toilet right now.

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