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The first presidential debate is done and the aftermath has not been good for the incumbent, Joe Biden.

Some Democrat politicians and operatives reportedly texted CNN commentators with hopes that Mr Biden, 81, would step aside. Some floated the possibility of going to the White House and publicly stating concerns about him remaining as candidate.

But if Mr Biden were to drop out, it would be a free-for-all. There is no official mechanism for him or anyone else in the party to choose his successor, meaning Democrats would be left with an open (Democratic National Convention (DNC) in Chicago from August 19-22.

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[-] [email protected] 99 points 2 weeks ago
[-] [email protected] 71 points 2 weeks ago

The guy is an effective cheerleader for any cause he really believes in. I mean he almost singlehandedly extended benefits to 9/11 first responders on the strength of his eloquence.

Thing is he doesn't want to do it. Which makes me want him to do it even more. Something about great leaders not seeking power but having it thrust upon them in times of need like a George Washington

[-] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago

I know he doesn't want to run which just like you only makes me want him to run even more. He's smart enough to know that he doesn't know everything and never will.So he will surround himself with people who know what they're talking about and listen to their advice.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

Sounds like the perfect leader.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Stewart (and Colbert) are literally a clown (TV Comedian) who is refusing to ever make a serious political moves. Neither of them have any legislative experience or executive experience either.

The fact that modern people always choose TV Personalities (like Trump, Stewart and Colbert) is part of the same problem of ignorance of our Political system and what this job even freaken entails.

[-] [email protected] 33 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Stewart (and Colbert) are literally a clown

what this job even freaken entails.

You know Volodymyr Zelenskyy, current president of Ukraine?

He's a comedian who did a political satire TV series about being president of Ukraine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr_Zelenskyy

Born to a Ukrainian Jewish family, Zelenskyy grew up as a native Russian speaker in Kryvyi Rih, a major city of Dnipropetrovsk Oblast in central Ukraine. Before his acting career, he obtained a degree in law from the Kyiv National Economic University. He then pursued a comedy career and created the production company Kvartal 95, which produced films, cartoons, and TV shows including the TV series Servant of the People, in which Zelenskyy played a fictional Ukrainian president. The series aired from 2015 to 2019 and was immensely popular. A political party with the same name as the TV show was created in March 2018 by employees of Kvartal 95.

EDIT: Darn, someone else apparently mentioned it as well, checking their link. I'm still gonna leave this text up, though.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago

Modern? where do you think Reagan came from? At least Stewart and Colbert are versed in the political and policy stuff from having been immersed in it for decades.

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[-] [email protected] 75 points 2 weeks ago

Time to unleash Bernie, please

[-] wheeldawg 32 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I voted for him last time. May be dumb, but I did believe in him more than Biden. I still don't know if he could carry the party, but I'd love to watch him try.

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[-] [email protected] 63 points 2 weeks ago

Any one 40-60 yrs old with moderate politics and an unobjectionable personality supported by a major party would really cause a splash.

[-] [email protected] 41 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

with moderate politics

They'll do great for one campaign until they actually have to govern and then it's going to be 1996 and 2012 all over again and we'll barely scrape by (if we're lucky) against extremely beatable candidates. Moderates run good campaigns and terrible administrations because the average American voter has been propagandized into believing they want bipartisanship and small government when what they actually want is some affordable healthcare and housing which moderate politics are not going to deliver to them.

e; and actually the "do great for one campaign" thing might be optimistic or antiquated thinking based on how Biden barely won in 2020

[-] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Oh they could win alright. Literally all they have to do is be leftist.

“We’re gonna keep your kids healthy, in a good daycare while you work, educated and fed, and your fucking boss is gonna pay for it all” is a simple mantra well used by unions.

Except they don’t do that. The purpose of a system is what it does, and liberals have done nothing but protect capital since FDR died.

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[-] [email protected] 59 points 2 weeks ago

You guys are getting Trump for a second term. Ouch.

[-] [email protected] 42 points 2 weeks ago

ouch... for the entire planet

[-] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago

We seriously are. This is madness.

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[-] [email protected] 53 points 2 weeks ago

The Democrat plan is to replace him just like they did Ruth Bader Ginsburg, by waiting for him to die and then hoping for the best.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

Out of respect for a great woman/man! Not being disrespectful to important people is much more important than human rights or democracy.

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[-] [email protected] 43 points 2 weeks ago
[-] Audacious 41 points 2 weeks ago

Too many articles focusing on replacing Biden when they should be focusing on Trump being a federal convict walking around free.

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[-] [email protected] 35 points 2 weeks ago

I'd go for Bernie myself.

I mean just imagine that! In a year of some of the worst and craziest 'first-time-evers' Sanders could be the DNC's candidate.

[-] [email protected] 57 points 2 weeks ago

You'd go for someone older than Biden?

I like Bernie, but that's a ridiculous replacement.

[-] [email protected] 37 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I think it’s Bernie’s competency that’s appealing. Sure he’s older, but he’s in touch with reality and has never stopped fighting for tangible as well as progressive ideals.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I think at this point he has a lot going for him, ie: he's recognizable, he's popular with a large segment of Americans, he can play the game well (as seen when he graciously accepted the DNC's bs in 2015), he's kind, he's rarely (if ever) been known to publically lie, he's smarter than at least half of Congress and the House of Reps, etc etc.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago

You can't simultaneously argue that Biden is too old to be president and that we should have someone even older instead.

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago

Bernie is sharper on his worst day than Biden or Trump are on their best day.

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[-] [email protected] 32 points 2 weeks ago

There’s no time. Democrats, I swear, just can’t see past one election at a time. They’re literally not prepping someone else. What they think will happen is KH will be the next person and they’re flat wrong. She can’t win. But they’ll dig their heads in the sand and put her up anyway.

So, now, because they put an old guy up last time they’re stuck. They have zero choice but to run what the brung.

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[-] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Is it really feasible to replace Biden at this point? I didn't watch the debate last night but from what I've heard it was not good for Biden. Nonetheless, I think Biden remains the Democrats' best option. They're just going to have to rely on the electorate recognizing that Biden is still the better of the two choices, as pathetic as that reality may be. However, even if that strategy is somehow successful, again, and Biden does manage to get reelected, the Democrats MUST nominate a better candidate in 2028. I don't think the Democrats can continue with their strategy of just being better than terrible, indefinitely.

[-] [email protected] 25 points 2 weeks ago

"Not good" is an understatement. Potential career ender.

If Trump wins in November, this debate will be exhibit #1.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago

At his age the cold he supposedly had is a potential career ender. "He just had a cold that made him feeble" isn't a great alternative explanation when you're talking about an 81 year old.

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[-] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago

You maybe should have tried this before 2024. This is gonna go on to November now. Just go vote for him. Old as he is.

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[-] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago

Just made a large post on this elsewhere, but the TL;DR is that the party can't just replace Biden. He has all the delegates from the primaries. Do you really think the party that is campaigning on preserving Democracy can get away with ignoring elections?

Now, it's possible that Biden gets diagnosed with a severe case of not-gonna-win-itis which adversely affects his health to the point that he has to resign not only from the campaign, but from the Presidency. If that happens, Kamala Harris becomes the 47th President, and has the only real claim to take over the ticket. It has the fun side effect of making Trump reprint all his hats to say "45 - 48" instead of "45-47".

(The Secret Service better take good care of President Harris, because whatever VP she appoints to take over that role needs to get a majority vote in both houses of Congress, and the House will never do it.)

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[-] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago

At this point it's starting to feel like Biden's holding the nation at gunpoint and making us have a second Trump term. He's always been a terrible politician, running twice for the nomination and failing to get a single delegate, until Obama made him VP. Honestly I suspect part of the reason Obama chose him is because he didn't wanna play kingmaker and figured Biden was too old to run again.

Then in 2020 I think the argument was Biden could benefit from Obama's popularity. I certainly thought that was a terrible pick, but not totally lacking in logic. But in 2024 there was utterly no rational basis for Biden to be running in the first place. Now that he's been a complete disaster, he's just fucking us as a nation for his own narcissism.

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[-] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago

People will come out and vote for Bernie.

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago

With as many people voting against trump rather than for Biden, I'm interested to see how much this does or doesn't do anything

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago

Literally anyone that is younger than 70 could run and win. Biden needs to do everything in his power to campaign for whoever NOW. It may already be too late.

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago

But...isn't this the point of having a VP?

It feels very reactionary, especially on something that doesn't really affect voters by all that much. If Biden announced a popular VP candidate, they can lead with that person being ready to step up if required.

[-] [email protected] 31 points 2 weeks ago

His VP isn't popular tho. Kamala would get absolutely crushed by Trump

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[-] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago

A man 14 months older but mentally 10 times more mentally sound

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[-] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago
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[-] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago

Just get the Bern in there

[-] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

Because it is sooo late in the arbitrary-election-cycle, no matter what the Dems do, they're fucked.

Go with Biden?

Then they're fucked.

Go with Kamala Harris, whom the white-supremacists have been working against for years?

Then they're fucked.

Find somebody else?

There isn't time, so then they're fucked.


This highlights the category of political-lesson that you have to "fail early & fail often" ( to use a phrase from successful serial-startup founders ) in order to find the robust candidates whom you can currently win with.

UNlike the way the Dems have played.

The CNN+NYT "shutting down" of progressive-issues & progressive-voices, in the last election, burned too much potential out of existence, and that traction is gone: non-recoverable.

The mega-entitlement of the Biden insitution is buckling & collapsing with increasing obviousity.

I fucking told everyone so, again & again & again, but it was all my "delusion" & "incompetence" & "defectiveness" & "lies", was it??

Trump is going to become the US's dictator,

& is going to begin the 2nd half of the US's Civil War ( the Confederates only pretended to surrender, & now are earning a "reverse takeover" ), & the butchery will probably reduce the US's population by 2/3rds, within 12y, counting all the consequences both direct & indirect ( complete failure to manage a hurricane's landfall costs much more life than does managing it competently: multiply that by a dozen per year, & you've got human-costs up the gills, without even considering atmospheric-rivers, megadroughts, quakes, wildfires, or any other kind of disaster to multiply costs on, right? ).

it is infuriating to see people insist that "social pressure will make this work", millions of times,

while it measurably, proveably, isn't working, but that is what Natural Selection at the species-level means, isn't it?

Terminal Species-ending Butchery.


Sunak's obliteration of his own party, Kim Campbell's obliteration of her own party, what was that Liberal premier who wiped out her own party, in Ontario, can't remember that one's name..

Social-pressure never acts when it is needed, it only acts when it gets around to feeling comfortable with acting, and that is consistently too-late.

So, when will the Democratic Party admit they need to change gears??

After they've fundamentally lost, is when.

Imagine running a bunch of freight-trains that way: "oh, we'll slow-down when we feel a collision beginning, but until then, we're really fine, & there's no indication of any real need to be doing anything different, is there?"

Feelings are the wrong metric for preventing this kind of catastrophy.

frustration-rage

Authority needs to have hard walls, bright lines, & deadly-force biting its corruptions/entitlements/dishonesties/DarkHexad enactments, etc.

Political-process won't ever allow any such rule, in its dominion, of course..

And that is why political-process cannot be permitted to own our world's fate: its conflict-of-interest, & its inescapable-corruption disallow integrity from ruling, & without integrity, then only "Justice", with falsifying-quotes, the phony version of Justice, remains..


So, The Great Filter's going to extinguish yet another world, from this Universe, is it?

Political-machiavellianism/dishonesty's going to snuff all LivingPotential, LivingWorth, LivingOpportunity of this whole world, while the "social consensus" indulges in orgiastic clusterfucking, until existential-viability itself is gone..??

Ah, but at least everyone will be able to feel that they "weren't responsible", right?

Social-feelings: that's the real LORD, and so long as it's happy, then existence, itself, isn't actually necessary, right??


bitterness

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