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[–] Tar_alcaran 70 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The problem is that everyone wants shells now, and nobody wants shells in 10 years.

Nobody is going to build a new production line in a new factory just to mothball it in a few years when demand falls off.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like a business that shouldn't be privately owned but just be a part of the military.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Either by paying up and shutting up or by owning the factories themselves you’d lose a bunch of money, so not sure that’s the way to tackle it

[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I mean, paying billions for things that will probably never be used in any meaningful capacity is not a foreign concept to the military. They do it all the time.

[–] ikapoz 25 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That is literally the BEST case outcome for military spending.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

It's second best. The best is not paying and never needing it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

With climate change related conflicts (especially water conflicts) rising exponentially, I don't think there's going to be a shortage of demand for ammunition any time soon.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It isn't as easy on the American side. The US military owns most of the facilities that make munitions, even if it outsources operations. There was some slack in the supply chain to make more, but that slack is gone and you need an act of Congress to increase from there.

[–] Rekonok 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Just give money to that Congress guy

[–] Ummdustry 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Do you want europe to make artillery shells like the old days?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

I think we can all agree that Europe drastically increasing the production of artillery shells is great for the environment in the long-term.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

You skipped the step where they have to restart the whole factory and renew the contract (which will take at least a couple weeks) before simply receiving more artillery shells. Navigating MIC contracts is hell.