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[–] mindbleach 30 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Does a booby-trap that only responds to lethal force technically pass the Katko test?

[–] verity_kindle 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What is the katko test.... I'm afraid to look it up? 14 watch lists is plenty

[–] prayer 30 points 3 months ago (2 children)

A famous legal case defining what is and isn't allowed for defense of property, specifically about lethal booby traps to stop trespassing. It basically says that you can't use lethal force to defend property using booby traps as they are indiscriminate and therefore cannot determine if certain criteria (i.e. reasonable fear for your life) are met.

[–] mindbleach 31 points 3 months ago (2 children)

... because Katko used a mousetrap and a shotgun shell to blow a dude's leg off. Over some antique jars.

It's one of those cases where the jury immediately knows a line has been crossed and just needs to hash out how far back.

[–] verity_kindle 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Well, some folks are pretty passionate about collecting jars. Thanks for a credible reply.

[–] xx3rawr 7 points 3 months ago

He just got sick of those vase-slaying MCs

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

I mean, Link kinda had it coming at that point

[–] verity_kindle 6 points 3 months ago

Thanks for the context, I thought the "Katko test" might be a funni/memey reference. TIL! Happy Cake Day!

[–] mindbleach 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

On reflection, the real question is whether you're home at the time, since that makes it the castle doctrine instead of "defense of property." At which point you're free to go full Home Alone a la Last Crusade. The penitent doorkicker kneels! bzzZZZzzzt

[–] verity_kindle 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yesh. When do I get to shlap my shon for blashphemy? Sho exshited aboit my shcenes.

[–] mindbleach 5 points 3 months ago

What'd the five fingers say to the face? SHLAP!

What'd Boris's face say to those five fingers? Achoo.

[–] Rafael 7 points 3 months ago

At which point you're free to go full Home Alone a la Last Crusade.

Stop stop I can only get so erect

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

i think the technicality here is that it would be akin to negligent manslaughter at best. Since self defense wouldn't really apply.