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[–] [email protected] 46 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Iran has a right to defend itself, right?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It’s just a very complicated issue. No way to say who is the aggressor

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Certainly not the side who got attacked first.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

But that was pre-emptive self-defence

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

I mean this war has been going on since the dawn of time /$

[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 days ago

Only Israel has the right to self defence. Everyone else has the right to submit or die.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago

I don't really see what the difference is...

Even if you take the information that each side is giving on their own actions, it is pretty clear that Iran is not doing anything special.

And even if you take Israel's side and say that the Israeli attack was justified as self defense against Iran nuking them, it would still be legitimate that Iran would strike back, and of course they would aim at big cities since plenty of IDF camps are in those big cities...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Israel's U.N. Ambassador Danny Danon said on Monday. "Iran aims its missiles at children, while we target the regime's terror machine."

Israel would never kill children…

[–] Tramdan 8 points 4 days ago

Good news for Palestinian children.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

Maybe Isreal should stop using its citizens as human shields then.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

Ah yes, the terror machines inside checks notes hospitals, tent encampments, and residential buildings.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Iran can claim self defence but they also knew what they were doing and expected they'd be attacked for this one day. Its a miscalculation on their part.

Its not fair but nuclear powers play by different rules and Iran getting nukes is to great of a threat to isreal and others.

Isreal is unhinged, PR be damned they are out for blood . Seeking to destroy all their enemies in a single war and their intel effectiveness is scary.

Justification doesnt matter, at the end of the day the nations will do what's in their interest unless constrained. The UN doesnt have enough power to constrain countries especially when the us is providing cover.

No one cares enough to step in so let them fight. I'm hoping for regime change in Iran.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

I'm hoping for regime change in Israel too. Really I wish the leadership of both of them to expire in their entirety.

The IDF is turning the civilian population into human shields. Here is to hoping the Israelis can find some shred humanity or responsibility and overthrow their genocidal government before they can expand their aggression even further.