What if neither of you believe in expiration dates but one of you think it turned and the other doesn't?
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I recognize that "best before" means exactly what it says
Me.
If it's after the BB date it means you have to use your sense and senses to make the determination.
It's not going to magically be super bad when it's the BB date +1.
Let me put it this way: They print expiration dates on SALT.
Now, it's pretty convenient that stores here in Denmark sell products cheaper just before they "expire" because certain products actually get better with time like cheese.
Safe to say I'm the second type hehe..
because certain products actually get better with time like cheese.
Under the right conditions. Sitting on grocery shelves is not one of those right conditions.
In rare cases white mold cheese will taste like blue mold cheese because of cross contamination, but that's about the only defect I've experienced buying cheese close to their expiration dates. Oh, and camembert cheeses being a bit too runny and ammonia tasting, but as a sicko I kind of like that.
I used to work at a cheese and wine joint, and there are some foul abominations out there. You're a stinky cheese fella aren't you?
I don't know if it's correct, but for the first type I once read that it might be because of the packaging and/or the interaction between product and packaging that might affect the product. And even if it would still be "never expires", the company doesn't want to pay to verify.
It's about liability. Companies don't want their salt returned to them after x years, especially not with some lame excuse. So they just define an expiration date y that's far off enough to not drive customers away, but still minimizes the risk of complaints.
If a (big) customer successfully complains within this time span, they'll simply decrease it.
Expiration dates are literally made up, very infrequently will any actual testing be done to see the exact time it takes for a food to decay enough to be either unenjoyable, unpalatable or inedible.
They're usually 1 week from mfgr for unpreserved foods, 2 weeks to a month for soft foods like American sandwich bread, 3 months to a year for dry goods (depending on what it is) and up to several years for canned goods.
My salt has an expiration date. Salt is a rock, it is millions of years old (not sea salt, mined salt). It does not expire.
I don’t know where you got your information, and I can’t speak for other food stuffs, but I used to work in a milk bottling facility. I did quality assurance. Part of my job was to take gallons of milk (many of them) and put them in refrigeration until two days after the expiration date, and then taste them. While most of them tasted pretty much fine, about 30% were sour, coagulated, or some other sign of type of spoiled.
Expiration dates are real, but they are an estimation of when the product will go bad. Use your own judgement. Smells/tastes bad/weird, or is oddly oily and stuff, probably don’t consume that. Seems completely fine but past the expiration date, you will probably be completely fine.
I don't mean any offense but is hiring someone to drink expired milk the best way of testing it? Can't they like measure bacteria or chemical composition or something?
Hahaha no, that’s a fair train of thought. Let me clarify firstly that we didn’t have to actually drink it. It was more of a sip and spit like wine tasting. As for the second part, those processes take materials and money that a human with a free 30 min doesn’t.
Yeah, most experiation dates are made up. Some are real, like milk usually. I'll still drink milk after the date, but I always make sure to smell it if I'm approaching or past that date.
99% of foods you can smell or see if they've gone bad before you taste it. Always use your senses, not some date printed on it by a manufacturer that wants to sell more product. We're literally evolved to identify food that's gone bad.
Except diary. Milk has an expiration date that (for me at least) is accurate to within 12 hours or so, when refrigerated.
Protip: if this plagues you, grab the Lactaid (lactose-free) stuff. It lasts longer. Soy milk lasts even longer than that, but I get that's not for everyone.
There are different types of dates in the US. Few things have expiration dates, which means it can be dangerous (or, for medication, ineffective) after that date. Most things have "best before" dates, which means the company has tested the product that far from its production and found it still met the quality standard.
The problem is that the FDA requires that testing and that every product have such a date. People have mentioned salt, which is inert, having a date, and that's probably the most ridiculous example, but there are lots of things that have super long shelf lives beyond the best buy dates. Honey, soy sauce, bottled water, and vinegar being examples that come to mind.
Old plastic bottled water can have chemicals from the plastic leached in to it that you wouldn't want to ingest though.
True, but unless you know what conditions the bottles were in it's not worth messing with one bottled 3 years ago.
Like when people keep water in thier car and it goes crazy hot in the summer.
Expiration dates are a myth
They’re not a myth; they’re a scam. They’re set by the brands, by determining when the food is the “freshest”. But that determination is made entirely by the brand, and they have a direct financial incentive to encourage food waste. Because if consumers throw more food away, they buy more food. So they set the expiration dates extremely short, so people will throw food away, well before it actually goes bad.
It also very much depends on your country, food authority, and retailer. Some food authorities have stricter categories for very perishable foods where unless it has gone very bad, you can't see it's not suitable for consumption anymore, eg. meat and vegetable. And while the producer has an incentive to encourage waste, the retailer has the incentive to reduce it, as you typically can't sell items to consumers that are no longer within date (Again, depending on your location). If an item is unreasonably often thrown out by the retailer, that leads to consequences in the deals being made between the retailer and the producer, which pushes the producer not to be too inaccurate either.
My wife just threw out a ~12 hour old fried rice we doggy bagged last night that I was planning on lunching on because we "touched it with our spoons". Sigh.
She does know that reheating leftovers is a thing, and that heat kills bacteria, right?
Oh they're real. They're just arbitrary most of the time.
Expiration dates are useful, but they are not usually a hard end point to a food's safety or edibility.
I recognize that "best by" dates are mostly bullshit, but I'm also a firm believer in "why risk it?" Especially for food where you can't tell if it's gone bad, like canned goods. I don't fuck around with botulism.
I’m pretty strict about it, a week is a fucking week and we need to maximize leftover prioritization to clear everything out within that timeframe. Especially if we’re using pricy ingredients.
My ex? Had a custom cake made for her birthday, from a pastry chef friend of hers, one who’d been on TV and worked in a nice restaurant in a major city. Not Michelin Star rated, but newly successful on some level. Anyway, she would take the entire remaining slice out and nibble on it… nightly. Then put it back after sitting and watching tv for half an hour or so. By the end of that week she’d finished it, and then promptly learned the importance of letting food sit at room temperature for too long, especially something not baked full of preservatives and using both dairy and egg products.
We didn’t make it to a second incident, but she confirmed that she’d cut a portion off and eat that instead of bringing the entire thing out nightly.
In Japan they have two types of dates, which map to "Use by" and "Best before", but they don't use them interchangeably or some vague middle-of-the-road term like "expiry date". One is operative, the other is a recommendation.
消費期限 (shouhi-kigen) literally means "consumption time limit" and 賞味期限 (shoumi-kigen) literally means "guarantee of taste time limit".
Germany does that too.
Especially minced meat always is "use by" and you really should respect that. Someone I know went to the hospital for that.
Many years ago (I was there) expiration dates were useful and only on products that would actually expire--mostly just milk, cheese, and meat.
Then, I think it was Budweiser came up with the "born on date" marketing campaign for beer. Since then, on anything that doesn't actually expire, like beer, it's been used to prompt people to throw away perfectly good food, so they'll hopefully buy more "fresh" food.
It's been going on for so many years, we now have at least two generations who have been duped into believing them.
i'm the person that understands the conflict of interest between companies and the creation of their own expiration dates.
In the US, expiration dates aren't a thing. The date on the product is just the last date the company will guarantee it meets their quality standards.
With one exception. Baby food/formula. Those companies do not fuck around with the dates, because they got regulated.
Best By dates are not expiration dates, expiration dates are estimates.
That said, my wife has no concept of expiration until something is obviously covered in mold, and says some wild stuff. "Oh that's got lemon juice in it, it doesn't expire" like babe, lemon juice isn't some timeless magic spell.
Joke's on you - I'm not in a relationship.
My wife is servsafe certified and I have a terrible sense of smell. Guess which one I am?
They are estimations. I do give them weight in the to eat or not to eat decision, but I also use my own senses.
Expiration date believers are my sworn enemies.
When I was 14, I hated cheerios and had a whole pack bit noone in my family liked em.
Noticed it expired the same date as me and my brothers birthday and we excitedly waited and threw it out on our birthday.
Still regret it to this day.