You mean at the tail end of a thread that opened with me pointing at the environmental costs?
Exactly! Hence my confusion. If you care about energy costs, then shouldn't saving energy be a good thing? Why would the benefit be 0?
Weren't you just telling me that the environmental cost has no impact on your stance?
Count yourself lucky. My front burner has become a secondary backburner and I've moved on to using a portable cooktop.
It sounds like you don't like how LLMs are currently used, not their power consumption.
I agree that they're a dead end. But I also don't think they need much improvement over what we currently have. We just need to stop jamming them where they don't belong and leave them be where they shine.
Yeah, they operate very opaquely, so we can't know the true cost, but based on what I can know with certainty given models I can run on my own machines, the numbers seem reasonable. In any case, that's not really relevant to this discussion. Treat it as a hypothetical, then work out the math later to figure out where we want to be and what threshold we should be setting.
It's unfortunate that these days, many who have this freedom are trying to deprive others of it.
Indeed. Though what we should be thinking about is not just the cost in absolute terms, but in relation to the benefit. GPT-4 is one of the more expensive models to run right now, and you can accomplish very good results with their smaller GPT-4o mini at 0.5% of the energy cost^[1]^. That's the cost of running 0.07 LED bulbs over an hour, or running 1 LED bulb over 0.07 hours (i.e. 5min). If that saves you 5min of time writing an email while the room is lit with a single LED bulb and your computer is drawing energy, that might just be worth it, right?
[1] Estimated by using https://huggingface.co/spaces/genai-impact/ecologits-calculator and the pricing difference between GPT-4o, 4o mini, and 3.5 (https://openai.com/api/pricing/). The assumption I'm making is that the total hardware and energy cost scales linearly with the API pricing.
The energy usage is mainly on the training side with LLMs. Generating afterwards is fairly cheap. Maybe what you want is to have fewer companies trying to train their own models from scratch and encourage collaborating instead?
Is it the training process that you take issue with or the usage of the resulting model?
We've been doing this in RL research with Minecraft as well (see MineDojo). An excerpt from the GitHub page:
MineDojo [...] provides open access to an internet-scale knowledge base of 730K YouTube videos, 7K Wiki pages, 340K Reddit posts.
Again, no one has run into legal issues with this yet either, but this also isn't as ubiquitous compared to Atari, nor has it been around for as long.
Did you mean to respond to a different comment? I have no idea what happened in the VP debate.
I was looking up when babies can safely start eating untoasted bread and one of the images led me to this website that sells... stuff? Are they selling me the question? Who knows.
Then if you scroll down to the related products, you can buy a basketball club for $30, down from $15!
I'm guessing this is some phishing website looking to steal credit cards. I also still haven't found an answer to my original question.
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Until chop off their legs. Then BMI spikes again.