Ask Lemmy

Terf ideology more or less boils down to

Transwomen are predatorial men

Trans men are foolish women who were tricked

They probably don't believe in enbies.

They’re seriously more bothered about there being a trans woman in a different cubicle where you can’t see each other than if it was a lesbian perving on your sounds, or a gay man being at the stand ups and sneaking a look at your winky (12” flaccid before you ask). This is not stuff normal people care about.

The thing you have to understand about TERF ideology is that they think:

• Men are evil rapists
• Women are dainty weak little waifs
• And, of course, gender is immutably determined by sex assigned at birth

So naturally they think trans women are evil rapey men trying to infiltrate women's spaces, while trans men are weak-willed stupid little girls who've been seduced into Gender and don't know any better.

Very feminist, much radical.

I’m a dude and have used the women’s room a lot of times.

Sometimes you gotta shit and dudes rooms don’t always have seats.

I dare you to live on the road with a punk rock band and only use one genders bathroom for the whole tour.

You’ll shit your pants.

Every time a women came into the men’s bathroom I just assumed it was urgent and that the women’s bathroom was occupied or closed. Never had any different thought.

Edit: I don’t think any sane man would care if a female, trans, cyborg or alien would go pee.

They celebrated when Noah Ruiz (a trans man) was assaulted by men for being in the “wrong” bathroom (he had been told to go to the woman’s.)

TERFs don't want trans people using any toilet. TERFs want to push trans people out of public life, and ideally to stop existing all together, by making existing in it as difficult as possible.

No. They should be considering this, given that plenty of trans men look like large and intimidating men (because they are), and they'll be forced to use womens' restrooms if the TERFs had their way.

Ultimately, the restroom issue is only superficial. TERFs (and other bigots) will pick issues like this, but they don't actually care about the issues they're yelling about. What they really care about is keeping their privilege and their sense of superiority. And that requires having a "them" group to put down and exclude, to clutch their pearls around.

So when you see irrational takes like the restroom thing, remember that it's irrational because it's not actually important to them (though they themselves likely don't realize that).

I think one thing that most people can agree on is that they prefer walking into an empty public restroom. ~~Nobody~~ few of us like using the facilities while under observation.

I mean, *phobes have little problem with also being hypocrites.

Not worried about lesbians though

As far as I can tell, no. No one ever seems to care. I can only assume it's because they view men as the "dominant" sex and women as "weak".

It's not a TERF thing. Nearly no one cares about who goes into a "Men's" Restroom and it's always been that way.

Their logic is that women are a historically oppressed group and that certain rights are a zero-sum game. They would say someone who has been born a man has forfeited male privilege and therefore don't have a right to anything which "belongs" to women.

If our discourse wasn't so polarised people wouldn't become entrenched like that but social media has made ration/empathetic discussion impossible.

It's the definition. Trans exclusionary RADICAL FEMINIST.

They put women's rights first.