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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

I can't believe my friend broke containment this hard I woke up to it on lemmy lmfao

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

I sort of used to have the same problem. You know, if you're gonna add oat milk to your oatmeal, you might as well just use water. But, whatever the reason, it sites taste better with oat milk.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

I bet that tastes dope.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I like Rabbi Joseph Bekhor Shor's interpretation. It's far from being accepted in Judaism - probably because it makes so much sense.

The interpretation is based on the fact that the passage originally appears in Exodus twice - but not in a section about Kosher laws. It appears in sections about Bikurim - bringing offerings to the temple:

The very same verse that contains that law also contains a law about Bikkurim:

Bring the best firstfruits of your land to the house of the Lord your God.

You must not boil a young goat in its mother’s milk.

Because these two laws seem so unrelated, Rabbi Joseph Bekhor Shor suggests a different way to read the second part.

In Hebrew, the root of the word "cook"/"boil" is B-SH-L - and this is also the root of the word "ripe"/"mature". Because of that, it's possible to read "you must not boil a young goat in its mother’s milk" as "you must not let a young goat mature while drinking its mother's milk".

This makes the second part of the verse a repetition of the first part - a pattern very common in the Old Testament as a (vain) attempt to prevent misinterpretations. Reading it like so, both parts mean "the offerings should be as young and as fresh as possible".

That reading is a little bit odd - but not too odd in biblical language standards, and it makes so much more sense in the context where the passage appears.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

You know what also doesn't make sense? Not boiling chicken in milk. I can guarantee you that's not the milk of the chicken's mother. The "don't boil a young goat in the milk of its mother" thing at least has a proper interpretation in the sense of "there were some people who did that and God came and God said 'yo that's nasty, stop it'". Something about not using sacrifice as an opportunity to practice transgression.

In the end I think scripture is just a tool for Jews to have something to argue about endlessly.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 20 hours ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago

I don't think this word means what you think it means... what is "copium" about discussing possible origins of dogma?

OP is literally saying "this widespread institutionally-reinforced religious practice/dietary restriction could all be due to a mistranslation", what exactly are they coping with?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Given how many homographs and other homonyms English has (and presumably other languages, I've definitely seen one Hebrew homograph when vowels are removed), it doesn't sound like a complete stretch for this to be a similar homonym situation.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This would have come from a time when ancient Judaism was evolving out of its polytheistic roots. The early sections of the Hebrew scriptures tended to treat other gods as existing, but you're only supposed to worship YHWH.

Likely, there was some specific ritual that had been used in local polytheistic practices, and it's specifically telling you not to do that.

This is an issue for the sort of fundamentalists who insist that absolutely everything in the bible is useful for modern times. You say that, but then what's this goat milk thing about? How about all the idolatry prohibitions when many modern Christians won't regularly encounter religions that use idols? Why is there a whole book devoted to Solomon's horny poetry?

You can kinda come up with answers to those, but they will invariably involve some kind of "reading between the lines". That is, reading assumptions into the text that aren't explicitly stated. Which fundamentalists also say you're not supposed to do.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

My favourite is that you cannot wear clothes made from more than one kind of thread.

Which means, in essence, that in the XXI c., literally everybody, including priests, is a sinner, and goes to hell, because everything is a blend these days.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 23 hours ago

Even in medical times, clothes were usually made with wool fabric and sewn with linen thread for strength. Some Jewish communities would only wear kosher clothing sewn with wool thread.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago

Not Jewish - but my understandings: Those are ritual laws. Non Jews aren’t bound by them. I don’t think the idea is ever that you “go to hell” for not following those rules in Judaism.

It’s more that you have a covenant with God, where you have agreed to follow a set of rules. The rules themselves are less important than the fact that you have an agreement about this with the higher power - that you keep yourself pure and honor that power through these rules. I think in the historical context a lot of the purity rules are a way of distinguishing your group from others - creating a shared culture around those rules.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 23 hours ago

Why is there a whole book devoted to Solomon’s horny poetry?

I have a theory...

[–] captain_aggravated 3 points 20 hours ago

opposite idea from mixing powdered milknin fresh milk for "more milk per milk."

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

I mean I do feel weird whenever I do this. The solution is soy milk!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I'm conceptually opposed to oat milk generally.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

It makes for a mean cappuccino, and is environmentally much, much lower impact.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Wow yea that sounds pretty sociopathic

[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 days ago (17 children)

Deuteronomy is originally from the Hebrew Bible. According to Jewish mythology, the book is from the sermons of Moses. Though, it's believed to be much more recent (something like a 1000 years) than the time period where the figure of Moses (or the person(s) he was based on) would have existed. But, even taking Jewish and Christian mythologies at their word, Jesus had nothing to do with that rule. Also, Jesus probably meant for this rule to end for adherents of Christianity.

Mark 7:14-23:
14 Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this.
15 Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.”
17 After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable.
18 “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them?
19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
20 He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them.
21 For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder,
22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly.
23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”

So, feel free to boil a young goat in its mother's milk. Jesus is A-ok with that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago

As I understand it, Jewish followers of the Jesus movement were meant to keep the law. However, especially after the death of Jesus, there was a lot of interest in getting gentiles on board and they, at least according to some authors (and apparently this was not a unified position?), the gentiles were not bound by the law (or maybe only by the Noahide law).

[–] pelespirit 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also, Jesus probably meant for this rule to end for adherents of Christianity.

I mean, Jesus was Jewish and he wouldn't have called his followers Christians because he hadn't died on a cross yet. He would have called them his Jewish brothers and his followers would have done the same for decades afterwards. He was the leader of a sect of Judaism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I think what he’s referring to is much of the Jewish traditions (by other Christian denominations) are deemed unnecessary because Jesus fulfilled the prophecies and therefore “preparation” for his coming is no longer required.

It’s a little hard to explain but that’s why Christians don’t do any of the dietary restrictions in the old testament.

[–] pelespirit 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

I understand what he's saying, he's saying that the followers believe something different.

I'm saying none of that matters. It's like being Catholic versus Lutheran, but Jewish vs. other Jewish that thinks Jesus was the Messiah. Still Jewish for at least decades, probably centuries.

They believed that while he was still alive. We know this because he and his disciples celebrated Passover at the last supper and they thought he was the messiah while he was alive.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Deuteronomy is originally from the Hebrew Bible

And further back? Babylonian? There's some Gilgamesh and Atrahasis in the bible, Moses among others...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I would be surprised if they were borrowing ideas from other cultures in the area (and vice versa). The various peoples in Mesopotamia were interacting regularly; so, some back and forth of ideas is to be expected. Though as a law code, Deuteronomy seems like it would be more home grown.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Not at all surprised, christianity has assimilated all kinds of religions, usually as evil or demon prince. Some examples: Moloch, Beelzebub.

You can literally look up and search for christianity.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Sorry, just recognized my typo, I meant to say "I wouldn't be surprised..."., Not sure how I missed that.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Further back than Babylon. We're talking ancient Sumer.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Sorry, much further back than the Cappadocians and you've lost me

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (7 children)

15 Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.”

Jesus is against the pull out method confirmed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago

Every sperm is sacred. Every sperm is good. If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's why I refuse to eat chicken and eggs

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Might also avoid corn at the same time, if you're not getting pasture-fed eggs.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Doesn't really count since the egg is used as an ingredient just to stick breadcrumbs on. I'm talking about scrambled eggs, etc.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago

The gymnastics are biblical.

[–] Enkers 27 points 2 days ago (3 children)

As much as I appreciate Japanese culture, they also created Oyakodon, which literally means "parent-and-child rice bowl". Like damn, Japan, what'd those birds ever do to you to necessitate multi-generational violence?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

to clarify a bit, you get both the meat of a chicken as well as the egg of a chicken

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago

More oats per oats

I have dairy in my diet, but when it comes to porridge, oat milk only please

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Then you extrapolate that and the only way to stay kosher is to never prepare meat with dairy. No philly cheese steak, no butter.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Strict households also have completely separate cookware, sinks, and even ovens/stoves. That blew my mind a bit when I first saw it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

There's more, especially with dishes and flatware.

  • milk vs meat
  • Sabbath vs the rest of the week
  • Passover vs the rest of the year
[–] [email protected] 3 points 23 hours ago

The rabbinical standard is that you should have 6 hours between a meat meal and a dairy meal.

And yeah, no butter. Kosher delis will use schmaltz (a kind of animal fat) instead of butter.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

Jesus was born 5-7 centuries after this was written down, he don't know either.

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