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I'm 54 and had no idea what measles was until lately. See, we didn't have that shit when I was growing up, never even heard of someone catching it.
That's how dumb American's have become. We've regressed to pre germ theory.
I'm the same age. I never knew anyone who had measles EXCEPT older people who told stories of it. I never knew anyone who had it whilst I knew them.
On the flip side, we attended chickenpox parties to get infected. Of course this was before the vaccination and knowing more about Shingles. All the folklore knew was one you get chickenpox, you never get it again and it's better to have it as a child than adult.
That's exactly the problem. Vaccines have worked so well that people have forgotten the horrors of the diseases they prevent.
I read an article a while back about a mother who's little girl caught whooping cough. She hadn't vaccinated her, but said that watching her daughter struggling to breathe was the worst thing she'd experienced and wished she had listened and given her the vaccine.
People realize very quickly why vaccines are important, but it's usually by experiencing it firsthand, and unfortunately it's too late by then.
people have forgotten the horrors
I'm that guy regarding polio. My Silent Gen mom would go on about how thankful they were for the polio vaccine and how as kids they lived in fear.
"Polio? Wasn't that some medieval disease?"
I couldn't begin to relate.
Got much the same talk asking about her smallpox scar. I'm not sure we were inoculated in the early 70s, the disease was extinct. (Mostly stopped in '72, looks like I barely dodged it.)
I have a smallpox scar on the back of my arm and I didn't even know it was there.
We got the shots in school and I have faint memories of the Jet Injector. Most scars of people my age are on the side of the arm up near the shoulder. I didn't have one so for years I assumed I didn't get the vaccine or my memory of it was wrong.
Then one day in the shower my girlfriend pointed it out. It's around the backside of the arm and hard to see in a mirror - but it's there.
I feel kind of special having it as it isn't that common these days.
The IT paradox :
- "Why am I paying you when everything works?"
- "Why am I paying you when everything has gone to shit?"
You are right that vaccines worked so well because mostly everyone had them, and mostly everyone has to take them for them to work.
Village idiots got a support system and crossed the threshold where the herd immunity has diminished enough for outbreaks in communities.
IT job before last was weird. Small, family-owned, very much Boomer, conservative, Southern Baptists. Sound like hell? Best job I've ever had.
Even being the only IT person, I got a seat at the management table. Tech was expected to run smoothly, but I didn't catch shit if something went sideways. We'd simply discuss what went wrong and how to prevent it in the future. Whole culture revolved around that sort of management.
I had autonomy, mastery and purpose. I'll flog this short talk everywhere I can. RSA ANIMATE: Drive: The surprising truth about what motivates us
That isn't why antivaxxers exist. Antivaxxers exist because they believe the vaccines themselves are poisonous or harmful as a core belief. Whether they believe the diseases are severe or even exist is moot because that's not what they have a problem with.
Many antivaxxers' children do get severe disease and they do not change their stance because they genuinely believe the vaccines themselves are so harmful.
It's not that life is so good they are afraid, (doesn't even make sense) but rather life is so bad and such a distrust in our medical system that they feel like they can't risk what they see as a bad product. To address that, we'd have to increase education and increase medical access at minimum.
Misunderstanding these people may make the problem simpler and may make you feel good about yourself, but it doesn't do much to address their actual beliefs.
Imma go with both opinions.
Misunderstanding these people may make the problem simpler and may make you feel good about yourself, but it doesn't do much to address their actual beliefs.
very well said, I see a lot of arguments on lemmy devolving into this (probably because our communities are pretty much all left leaning) but it'd be nice if we could actually try to understand these people.
To be fair that means the education system has failed you in that regard. That probably contributes to the anti vax cult, they're simply not taught why vaccines are important and what they help prevent.
Free quality education for all is a foundation for a functioning democracy. It's also nice when your fellow man, your neighbor, is not a dumbass.
I just feel so bad for the kids getting sick. It's essentially child abuse.
Revelations 16:2
So the first angel went and poured his bowl on the earth, and a foul and painful sore came on those who had the mark of the beast and who worshipped its image.
Matthew 23:24
Then if anyone says to you, โLook! Here is the Messiah!โ or โThere he is!โโdo not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and produce great signs and omens, to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
If people on the Right want to claim a Christian high ground, then quote the book that matters most to them.
When the true king's murderers are allowed to roam free, a thousand magicians arise in the land.
Where are the feast we are promised?
(Jim Morrison, An American Prayer)
That book only matters to them insofar as they can use to it to control others.
Matthew 25:35, separating the goats and sheep, outlines how Jesus would judge people at the end times. These are the questions:
- Did you clothe me?
- Did you feed me?
- Did you visit me in jail?
- Did you help me when I was a foreigner in a strange land?
We must show the modern hypocrisy and how people have fallen astray from their own values. They must be reminded of the values that got us here. If this book is how they truly ground their lives, then there is no way to deny it.
Either they accept Christโs message or they donโt. I donโt care who asks these questions: they are good moral questions.
This is why I've recently started liking religion more and more. There's genuine good moral pointers and good texts to reflect on there.
Sad a loud voice has to ruin it. At least the church here is LGBT safe and accepting which I'm thankful for.
At least early Christianity is in many ways socialism. Remember the feeding of the 5000 with "five loaves" and "two fish"?
The true meaning is that there will be plenty if everyone shares. That's the real miracle.
Nope, not gonna work. Not against Cafeteria Christians all of them are.
John 13:34-35
34 I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another.
35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.โ
This was said by Jesus before he was betrayed by Judas. This same notion is shared by many other holy prophets.
- The Buddha taught that all living beings experience suffering, and therefore, compassion should be extended to everyone without discrimination.ย
- The Prophet๏ทบ set a crucial example to the Muslims: that there is far greater value in forgiveness than in revenge. And that the remedy for injustice and the cycle of abuse is moving the community forward, as one whole, together.
I donโt want to give up on humans. I donโt want to be a bitter person. Maybe my morals will be my ruin, but if so, I know I will have lived a compassionate life of love.
As a human, I hate the actions going on in the US and around the world. As a spirit, I feel compelled to find love and champion it.
Peace be to you, homie. ๐
Liberty lesions...
Real Americans have red and white skin like the US flag. Soon to be implemented are mandatory blue eyes too
The skin will eventually turn blue as well, once they die from the entirety preventable diseases that they refuse to vaccinate for.
Freedom freckles
Murica Measle
Look at all those freedom sores. Little man is the ultimate patriot ๐ช๐ช๐ช.
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