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That 49.8% is misleading - it implies that 49.8% of the country support him, but it counts only the votes that were actually cast. He only got votes from about 30% of eligible voters.
Of course we can't know who all those non-voters wanted to win, but I'd rather not imply that nearly half of all americans voted for him.
Of course we can't know who all those non-voters wanted to win, but I'd rather not imply that nearly half of all americans voted for him.
Who gives a shit? Those non-voters made an active choice to not matter. Makes sense to respect that choice and ignore their existence.
People always bring this up as if it's some indication that things arent quite as bad as they seem. Why? Americans chose this in every way that matters.
Keep in mind that quite a lot of those people are lower class citizens who can’t afford to take a day off work to vote. If you’re living paycheck to paycheck, not getting one day of pay can be crippling.
Sure, it’s easy to say they should bear the cost to save the nation, but none of us are feeding their kids or paying their bills. And it isn’t us who go homeless because they voted.
Those non-voters matter a lot because Trump is acting like he has some kind of enormous overwhelming mandate, and there is no evidence to back that up.
Trump is acting like Trump. Talk of a 'mandate' is piffle, like almost anything he says.
People that didn't vote also supported him
Life's more complicated then that, try not to alienate the people that need convincing.
No, they have blood on their hands too. Sure they aren't covered in it like MAGA Carrie, but they didn't take 30 minutes out of their day to vote to stop this.
I would add one big caveat to that: voter suppression. Voting day isn't a holiday, many MANY people have to work, and between Republicans doing all they can to make mail-in ballots inaccessible and closing polling stations to the point where people are standing out in the heat for upwards of 4 hours to get into a place to vote, let alone purging voting rolls so close to the election that there wasn't enough time for people to register again (and nonsense voter ID requirements), I can't blame some people for outright not having the ability to vote.
Anybody who had the ability to and chose not to? Yeah, blood is on their hands. The time to push for the changes that everybody wants is not 3 months once every 4 years, but the time leading up to those 3 months.
They also threw out over 2 million mail in ballots this year and black voters were nine times more likely than white voters to have their mail in ballots rejected.
Nah, that's a shit take. If you didn't vote, you're at least okay with the prospect of another Trump presidency, or you didn't care enough to vote against him. You're complicit either way.
I don't know - in some parts of America, getting out and voting is made more difficult. On purpose.
We all saw that voting by mail can work during Covid. The qons want to claw that back.
Also, in many states, the Republicans insist on making voting more difficult, especially for certain people.
We should have vote by mail, everywhere, with ballots sent out well in advance. And people should be automatically registered to vote when they get something like a driver's license.
Fair point.
Those who could vote but chose not to are at the same level, they actively chose to not participate, which means they at best aggree with whatever is happening. At least trump cult is way out there mentally, and there is no more humanity in those creatures, so they couldn't do otherwise. Non-participators had something in them to prevent the worst, but they chose not to. That's agency, that's responsibility.
Regardless, the words "only 49.8%" in this context, is so beyond absurd, that it must be comedy.
I don't think non-Canadians know how angry we have to be to boo a national anthem. We'd cheer for the North Korean anthem if they sent a hockey team for us to play against.
I don't think you know how embarrassed Americans, who didn't vote for this twit, are about how he is treating our closest and most important ally.
I'm one of those embarrassed Americans who voted against this. Canadians have every right to be angry.
I won't give a pass to americans just because they didn't vote for him. There's a lot of americans who just didn't vote, period. Anyone who didn't actively cast a ballot in opposition to that fuck stain of a president is just a guilty of him being there as the ones who did vote for him. Considering only 152,320,193 people voted in the 2024 US election from a population or 340,110,988, where 268,687,680 of them are over 18, that leaves roughly some 100 million people who could have voted against this but chose not to. More people just didn't vote than voted for either the Democrats or republicans. As far as I'm concerned, those people really didn't care if a fascist government was elected and really don't care about anyone but themselves. So I won't accept apologies from americans trying to wash their hand of this. Their government has threatened Canada's sovereignty, has thrown the first attack, and I blame every single american person that voted for trump, or couldn't be bothered to go out and vote against him, whatever their reason may be.
As the great Canadian band Rush once sang: "If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice."
They don't get to wash their hands of the fascist government just because they chose to ignore the problem rather than cast a vote. They decided the prospect of fascism was just as bad as having a black woman as president.
IMHO Embarrassing doesn't even begin to describe the situation.
Maybe it’s just me, but I assume they’re talking about Americans who didn’t vote for Trump here, not folks who didn’t vote.
And if they are an American using Lemmy it's probable that they did vote, and didn't vote for Trump. If they were lazy they would be using Reddit.
American here. Please keep doing this.
Ignorance is no longer a valid excuse. We all have access to all of human knowledge. “Not knowing how tariffs work” is no longer a valid excuse.
the ignorance is by design. our entire society has been programmed for consumption not critical thought - and this has been done from all sides at the behest of the corporate oligarchy.
as angry and disappointed and depressed as I am with the outcome, its a deep structural failure and I have a hard time placing the blame on those that simply decided to check out and not participate in their own civic education. every pressure on the american plebian has been to keep your head down, ignore the growing deficiencies and consume.
Good.
Just for people who don’t know, this never happens. Hockey fans tend to be respectful during other country’s anthems
We didn’t even really like Americans BEFORE the tariffs. I wonder, do Americans realize how every other country sees them? Not just the government, but how we see the citizens?
No. Americans primarily consume American media. Foreign media and news is socialist commie propaganda, or something.
Why do you think we call ourselves Canadians when we travel?
In the end of this shit show, Canada and Europe are closer than ever.
That's what happened last time. Global trade realigned and the US was left out. Just ask soy bean farmers.
Just ask soy bean farmers.
Soy bean farmers got direct subsidies to offset the damage that Trump did last time. They didn't learn shit, they voted for him again, and would again given a choice.
Large industrial farms got subsidies. Many small farms went under permanently.
And for every job that was saved, it cost the US ~$900,000.
But the saddest thing were the TV interviews of some of the farmers who had lost the business that had been in their families for generations. Many of them were saying that they still believed in Trump.
They figuratively shot themselves in the foot and were yelling "Ha! Take that libs"
Good.
We deserve it.
Thank you Canada. We deserve it.
Good, if America won't stand for Freedom, than we cannot stand for America, none of us can.
No worries, eh! May you come out on the other side of this insanity better than going into it. Until then, can you help a bro out and change the laws to let descendants of Canadians claim citizenship?
First hockey video I’ll purposefully click on in many years. Cool.