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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I predicted this months ago, I knew Kamala would loose. Did I vote for her? Yes. Did she deserve to loose? Also yes. Her political campaign couldn't stand up to even the smallest bit of criticism. Thats why world and twitter users were busy calling anyone who critiqued her or even questioned her a "russian bot" or "tankie". She made absolutely no attempt to gain votes and promised nothing to the voters, instead she basically said "Im not orange man, vote for me". Now shes lost the NeoLibs are desperately trying to find a scapegoat, some blame protest voters and non voters, some blame the working class, some blame Muslims, some blame Jews, some blame Trans people, and furthermore some blame POC or any other minority that they can think of. This is exactly why Kamala lost, her campaign couldn't stand up to scrutiny and now yall are coping to distract yourself from the fact that the slightly better corporate puppet lost.

Cope and seethe ShitLibs

[–] [email protected] 3 points 59 minutes ago

Ok so attacking the people who are on your side does what exactly?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 hours ago

Trump claiming credit for ceasefire and then destroying the region was always Bibi's plan. The propalestine protestors were against the administration for refusing to acknowledge that the israeli's were not negotiating in good faith. Had they played hard ball things might have been different.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Oh look at that, exactly what literally every sane person predicted would happen is happening.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 hours ago

Yep all those idiot protest voters getting exactly what trump said he would do.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Bullshit. I voted against my conscience because I knew orange would harm people I love. It wasn’t enough.

Dems didn’t offer anything compelling because they are a failed party that can only drive votes with threats of even worse. It’s pretty easy to not fund a genocide and lie and say it isn’t happening when it clearly is. Dems can blame only themselves for poor turnout.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

...I voted against my conscience because I knew orange would harm people I love. It wasn’t enough.

correct! because something like ~~30~~ 90 million Americans didn't vote because they were told:

  • both sides are the same
  • nothing will change
  • two party systems don't work

what's worse is that they believed the lies! so your vote lost impact because they couldn't be bothered to vote.

Dems didn’t offer anything compelling because they are a failed party that can only drive votes with threats of even worse.

the threats didn't come from the dems. they came from the magats. and guess what...they were credible threats! I guess those ~~30~~ 90 million voters wished they had got off their fat asses and voted now.

It’s pretty easy to not fund a genocide and lie and say it isn’t happening when it clearly is. Dems can blame only themselves for poor turnout.

you make it sound easy but agreements between nations are anything but that. last time I checked both the dems and repubs were running the government..how convenient of you to forget that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 minutes ago

What the fuck are you saying?

both sides are the same

That I didn't vote because I knew trump was worse? I voted.

the threats didn’t come from the dems. they came from the magats.

"We're fighting fascism," or whatever they were saying. They didn't convince enough people to vote for them.

you make it sound easy but agreements between nations are anything but that. last time I checked both the dems and repubs were running the government…how convenient of you to forget that.

Regan called the head (premiere, president, I don't know) of Israel to tell them to calm down and the did. I'm not forgetting things. You don't know history.

Again:

agreements between nations are anything but that

Wait did I forget how he took us out of the Iran deal to limit their nuclear program?

Grow up.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

yeah when the choice is between horrible and double super extra horrible, it’s hard to get really motivated to vote for horrible….

it’s pretty much the genocide version of the trolly problem. palestine genocide is on one track, on the other track, there’s the palestinian genocide, trans genocide, hispanic genocide, and entire planet ecocide…

the choice is obvious but not particularly inspiring… at least under harris there was some hope of lobbying her to stop… protest at the whitehouse now and trump will try to have you shot… hopefully they refuse next time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

... you know that's really an apt comparison. Never thought about it that way but really it's like a trolley problem except it is their job to shout for people to come up and pull the lever.

It's no surprise they had trouble finding volunteers.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, I voted blue, but I knew this was going to happen regardless of who won.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

That’s why politics for ordinary people needs to go way beyond voting.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago

At least with the blue team they're less likely to bend to protests...red team will just send the boots to step directly on you.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 10 hours ago (15 children)

I would be curious to see the numbers but I don't think the pro Palestine protest voters cost the Democrats the election. It definitely didn't help, but the Dems shat the bed in way more ways than just the Palestine situation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 minutes ago

Pretty much. They didn't offer anything their constituents wanted except for escape from DJT.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

If they did, then all the neolibs were wrong that voters don't care about Palestine...

Which logically means the party needs to move to the left at least enough so that genocide isn't acceptable.

Instead, they act like fucking trump supporters and brag that a genocide is still happening.

There's zero logic or empathy with them, which is why some people call them "blue maga".

They're the ones that didn't stop watching CNN even after the new buyers blatantly and publicly said their goal was to become the fox news if he left.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 hours ago (7 children)

You are aware that people can hold two beliefs at once, right?

  1. Democrats are not doing enough and were actively allowing a genocide under their watch.
  2. Inside our current system, the most powerful act a citizen can perform is voting.

So, not voting and encouraging others not to vote because "blue MAGA" is actively helping the people who are currently enacting genocide+.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago

See, this is where communication always breaks down...

If a progressive is politically active right now it's safe to assume that they held their nose and voted D.

Which I've done just like I've always done.

But we tried to warn people trump was going to win if Dems kept moving right...

Dems kept moving right, and we were right. Then when we try to talk about how to win next time and how to gain back all the votes moving right cost us...

We get people trying to say we're the problem because we want to fucking win.

So, not voting and encouraging others not to vote because “blue MAGA” is actively helping the people who are currently enacting genocide+.

I got a big post history, plenty of opportunities for you to find a single comment where I've ever advocated for not voting for the least evil candidate in the general.

But if you got a little faith you can take my word it's not in here.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Pro-Palestine protest votes didn't cost the Dems the election, but that a single group was not the deciding factor in a contest does not absolve them of responsibility. IE single-issue pro-Israel voters probably were not the reason for Trump's victory, but they still deserve a portion of the blame in voting for Trump.

And many of these selfsame pro-Palestine protest vote types are continuing their dumbass games even as Trump greenlights fascism both at home and abroad - like everyone fucking told them he would.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

In general, let’s gently redirect anger away from protest voters.

First, I haven’t seen any evidence suggesting that the volume of protest votes would have impacted the Electoral College. Harris would have likely won Michigan, but that seems to be the extent of what would have happened if all protest votes had flipped to blue. (Please feel free to correct me with evidence if this is inaccurate.)

Second, you’re directing your frustration at the wrong group. The Democratic Party ran a campaign that was basically center right and fostered mass apathy at the polls. That’s the real issue. You can continue to direct anger at non-voters, but all this infighting does little to hold the Democratic Party accountable for running a campaign that encouraged people to literally stay home.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 hours ago

Wow if only there were something the candidate could have done to attract those voters. Guess we'll never know.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 hours ago (6 children)

Yes, keep blaming the voters and not the democratic party and candidate who repeatedly refused to give them a reason to vote for them. Blaming the voters will definitely win us the next election.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 minutes ago

By not voting for genocide, they cost us the election! /s

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 hours ago (8 children)

Hey Kamala, just say Genocide bad ... just once, you don't even need to action it, we all know politicians lie as easily as breath. Just once and you make history.

The walking special K ad throwing salutes is the result of protest votes not the continuing genocide. Palestine would burn under either administration.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 hours ago (7 children)

Netanyahu wanted Trump to win, that should tell you ALL you needed to know

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 minutes ago

Exactly what freaked me out in the later months of 2023. He wanted to tank Biden, the guy sending billions, because the next guy would be worse.

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