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Just saw this on AskLemmy at .ml, thought this and chuckled, and now here we are.

Will take the opportunity to thank our admins for what they do, and all you humans for being here and generally being cool.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

im still relatively new to lemmy and am crossposting or whatever the term is , from lemmy.world but its mind boggling that the tankie sect is as big as it is on here.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They really aren't, 4k monthly active users out of 43k

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Your instance defederates from hexbear and grad already. You can choose to block ml in your account settings

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

But then what would they complain about?

[–] [email protected] 81 points 2 days ago

more like #4 considering the hexbear duplicate

[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Did hexbear go through mitosis?

(Or are they going through mitosis like how USSR did in 1991? 🤣)

[–] verity_kindle 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Good spot. I also want to know, but I fear the backstory...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

It's the same one, not sure why it's reported twice.

That orb they have a puppet instance the same way ask their users have puppet accounts.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I imagine feddit.nl is nowhere near the top but I sort of like it that way.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

20th by monthly active users, accounting for hexbear double entry

https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy

Definitely a good position

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Certainly enough to keep the instance afloat I assume!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)
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[–] JohnDClay 39 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I'm surprised lemmy.ml isn't on there, it seems really big from my limited experience.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

No really, .ml isn't even in top 10? Did they opt-out from these statistics or are they that small?

https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy

Edit: well I guess they really are that small. But total posts they have at 147k, what is going on here?

https://fedidb.org/network/instance/lemmy.ml

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

based on the creation date advertised by the instance, lemmy.ml exists since 2019-04-20. lemmy.world exists since 2023-06-01.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Post on an instance are not necessarily the right metric to how active the users of an instance are, just how many large and active communities are there.

[–] Cracks_InTheWalls 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Huh, you're right. In fairness this is cropped from an image shared on the AskLemmy .ml thread, so I'm not 100% sure what's going on there. Edit: Image is legit. Weird...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

They're just loud. Like a terrier.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If you exclude blocked instances, you're a lot higher than #5...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

You just made me realize that for me they are number one as I've got the other 4 blocked.

[–] threelonmusketeers 11 points 1 day ago

Yeah, we're pretty much #2, which seems thematically appropriate :)

[–] drasglaf 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I got here as a kbin.social refugee and I can't say I have any complaints.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Does that include the NSFW instances?

[–] Birch 9 points 1 day ago

Perhaps the list originally started at 0...

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

*#4, hexbear (ew) is on there twice.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

All this instance flexing has me feeling like a friend trying to get his other friends to like each other. Can't we all get along? I mean, at least the ones that don't promote hate and fascism?

[–] mnemonicmonkeys 10 points 1 day ago

Tbf, Hexbear, Lemmygrad, and Lemmy.ml all promote hate via being tankies. And the latter two tangentially support fascism because they support Russia in the current war, because 'Murikkka bad and therefore anyone that hates them must then be good

[–] Cracks_InTheWalls 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I mean this is the ideal. Most of the time I'm right there with ya. I'm just really attached to this instance - doesn't mean that others are bad for not being on this (upon review, actually somewhat problematic) list.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is upsetting as fuck. This one picture just made me realize that Lemmy is likely never going to get much bigger. The top is just an exact clone of Reddit, meaning there's no reason to use it over Reddit, and the next three are active propaganda mills filled with fascists and tankies. After that you get normal servers. That's a terrible look. That guarantees anyone new joining will likely join one of those 4 and will either think "what's the point, this is just Reddit with a percent of the users" or "JFC these people are all Nazis" or worst of all which seems to already be the case "finally, somewhere I can speak freely about those dirty Ukrainians/Palestinians/Americans/Women/LGBTQ/OtherMinorities!"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It is far worse than that imho, sadly.

For one, we are most definitely actively getting smaller, both since the Rexodus and also since just earlier this year. I think people are returning to Reddit but wherever they are going it is not here. We lack sufficient content for them, despite having the good apps that Reddit used to. This is software built by tankies, and has authoritarian purposes baked into the core.

And for another, a Google search for "Lemmy", after the singer, pulls up as the top instance lemmy.ml, which notably uses a Local rather than All feed by default. So it's just absolutely full of posts hating on the USA, UK, Germany, and anyone else who opposes the interests of Russia and China and North Korea. THIS is what "Lemmy" is, to people who don't use DuckDuckGo as their primary search engine.

It may already be too late to reverse this trend: we lost the momentum of the Rexodus, and we won't even be honest about who and what we are now, which would be a prerequisite for change - we are a Nazi bar.

An example of our authoritarianism is the modding tools here. The fact that we have a modlog at all is awesome, but the fact that it just says "mod" rather than who removed something, while simultaneously offering no modmail to communicate with whoever did it in order to ask why, is not. Also reports don't federate. Lemmy was built by the admins of lemmy.ml, and if we want more of a non-authoritarian experience - e.g. a modmail - it seems we would have to build such ourselves?

Also, on Reddit (at least, prior to the Rexodus, I dunno if it still does today?) when a post is removed the post link remains viable, and people can still have discussions within it. On Lemmy, a capricious mod can remove something entirely. Imagine writing our a long response (such as I've done here:-), only to find after all of that that the post has been removed in the meantime and I can't even respond to the person I was talking to, even if they were not the OP. Nor can I even finish reading through the comments - they are just, poof, gone.

As authoritarian as Huffman made Reddit into, we are so very similar - not at the top, obviously, bc open source makes all the difference, but when it comes down to the actual user experience, e.g. how a Redditor will look at us and judge this place to be, based on how we will treat them (and I haven't even begun here to get into how centrists from the USA will feel in this leftist dominated environment!:-P). We have the seeds to be more, but we won't make the computer code to make that happen.

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[–] napkin2020 0 points 1 day ago

All I see is sjw being #2.

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