Cracks_InTheWalls

Damn right!

I've

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See, everyone is coming in and talking about different means of measuring instances, the implications for the fediverse and the position of federated services against corporate monoliths like reddit.

But you, verity - you get it.

So!? We're #5! Or 4! Or something!

(Not everything needs a point - I just felt like posting this. Though it does look like it's started a discussion about the relative size of lemmy and different instances, which is neat to think about once in a while - or disheartening depending on your perspective)

I haven't read the response to you quite yet (though skimmed, and saw some cool words I like), but IME, not really/not as well as you might like.

I know some instances (well, only one I know of - the instance I'm at) have a voting system that hinges around instance membership and declaration by post. It's not perfect, but it gets around the more obvious stuff (bot instances - if you're not a sh.it.head, it doesn't count; admins can refer to unusual patterns in registration around vote time if something seems amiss, etc.)

But in that case, it's about decisions at an instance level. In this case, it's a little trickier. I don't know if people want the vote to be blahaj users only (though I support that), or if admins are interested in facilitating that/watching for signs of obvious screwiness.

It's a tricky proposal to ensure it's 100% fair and resistant to manipulation, though I'm sure there's a way to do it. Still think it's important to attempt, though.

Understood, but these were selected based on what seems to work for your average customer service person/office worker. The amount of times I've said 'Sierra' and got back C is too many.

Might re-think Frank over Foxtrot, though. That's more habit than anything else.

Agreed in other contexts these are not the best choices, and there's a reason they are not that in the NATO phonetic alphabet.

Agreed. IMO it's a coked-out SMB fanfic that became a movie, and I love it.

I'm all about that NATO phonetic alphabet - which for some reason rubs certain people answering phones the wrong way.

Can't say I don't have a couple substitutions, though (Zebra instead of Zulu, Sam instead of Sierra, Frank instead of Foxtrot), but it's not like I'm working the radio of an aircraft or something.

Man, I just wanted to chant "We're #5", now I have people coming at me with facts. :p

(Jokes aside, I appreciate it. There's nuance to these metrics and what best accounts for 'size', particularly for those cases/services where the metrics reflect a little bugginess anyway)

100% - trust me, I also jumped to the same conclusion based on initial reactions until I was like "Wait, did a mod or admin say something more specific somewhere else?". Not everyone has interest or bandwidth to do so [helped that I was hungover yesterday, so I rotted on Lemmy all day].

...come to think of it, there's lessons that are applicable to the IRL news cycle too, lol.

100% agree with you there. Helpful's underselling it, I'd say non-negotiable given Ada's comments.

My only thought about locking it down if there's overwhelming support for migrating to .world (which I think is very unlikely) is to give time for people who still wouldn't want to follow the mods to sort out what they want to do, while stemming the flow of stuff while BLZ 196 is unmoderated to reduce load on the admins (which seems to have been one key part of the problems).

It's a big community, and I could see a jump in malicious activity while a) a new mod team is being sorted out, and b) importantly, people work with the admins to say "K, the old mod team's approach caused some problems for you. As manager of the resource we want to use, how can we manage that better to reopen 196". That and maybe at that point, people staying might prefer a clean break to onehundredninetysix.

The intent would not to keep 196 locked permanently the way I'm thinking about it unless folks want to change to onehundredninetysix - probably would be like a day or less. I could 100% be making much out of nothing re: transfer to a new mod team, though, particularly given how this went down and the pool of potential moderators that announced interest already.