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[–] [email protected] 248 points 6 days ago (11 children)

Reagan was one of the worst things to happen to the US. Maybe we should just stop electing shitty actors to do a difficult job.

[–] [email protected] 108 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Reagan (or more specifically Michael Deaver) taught us that propaganda works incredibly well, almost every time.

Most of us didn’t learn it though. And here we are.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Reagan (or more specifically Michael Deaver) taught us that propaganda works incredibly well, almost every time.

Hitler (and many mfers before him) already taught that lesson, people fall for it every, single, time.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 6 days ago

That’d require learning a lesson. And we’re collectively far too stupid to do that.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (6 children)

Reagan was one of the worst things to happen to the US.

100% agree

Maybe we should just stop electing shitty actors to do a difficult job.

I'd argue the opposite on that tho.

We kept hearing with Biden that a president can't do much, it's all Congress.

So why are we running career politicians when the majority of America hates politicians? Why did we just one an ex-prosecuter when most Dem voters hate our justice system?

Like, we can at least halfway it with someone like Al Franken, someone that started out somewhere else then switched to politics. But why not just say fuck it and run Taylor Swift for president? Count on her carrying the entire down ballot and getting dual majorities and she just has to not veto what lands on her desk.

Either the president doesn't really do anything and is just a figurehead or it has to be someone with decades of government experience.

It can't be both.

But there's certainly no reason to keep picking people with zero charisma for what's basically a convoluted popularity contest. Even foreign relations, I guarantee foreign leaders would give Brad Pitt a better deal than Joe Biden. They're not getting down into the nitty gritty, the drones work out the details anyways.

Obama and Bill won off their charisma above all. Biden as well was incredibly charismatic back in the day, it's just as came out recently, his health had been an issue basically the entire term. I'm not saying this as a dig, but he is a shell of his former self. 40 years ago he was considered the best public speaker of his generation.

As much as I want a progressive and think they'd win on policy, what matters before the platform is charisma and we need to admit that.

It's insane we didn't learn it after Al Gore, but clearly the DNC didnt.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (3 children)

We kept hearing with Biden that a president can't do much, it's all Congress.

Keep in mind that while the president can't do a lot of things unilaterally, there are a lot of things he can do to block, delay, and disrupt. Biden's plans were mostly creating new things, which takes Congress. Trump just wants to destroy. It's always easier to destroy than build.

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[–] HellsBelle 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Reagan was a shitty actor with a good persona and voice. He was simply hired to act as POTUS, reading the script written by American billionaires.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And that's been the president's role ever since

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago

Worst thing so far.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

To the world even, because everyone copies the US.

[–] Kecessa 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Thatcher has her part of the blame as well. Mulroney in Canada and so on...

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 6 days ago (3 children)

The continued idolization of Reaganomics is a huge reason why the US continues to enshittify.

Maybe there shouldn't be such a focus on cults of personality and electing celebrities. Imagine qualified people being in office.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The thread of anti-intellectualism runs deep.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I have a suspicion that anti-intellectualism and unaffordable education go hand in hand.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

Education is unaffordable also due to classism, which reagonomics is really drenched in.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago

I did. I was told I was transphobic and pro-genocide by some totally not russian trolls.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Infographic is correct, though it left out how he destroyed labor unions and a bunch of other stuff, but you can only fit so much in there. Reagan and his despicable cohorts like Gingrich were the beginning of the end for not just the ability to reach the middle class, but indeed for the middle class itself in this country (as his contemporary partner in crime, Thatcher was for the UK).

It was an absolute tragedy. If Trump wasn't coming back in, Reagan would still hold the top rank in amount of devastation caused, but I'm pretty sure Trump will manage to surpass him on that front in his second term.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 6 days ago

The most prosperous decade of the 20th century was the 1950s.

The top tier tax rate in 1950 was 84%, and that was the lowest it would be until 1964. The rest of the 1950s were at 91%-92%.

The important thing to remember is that nobody ever paid the top-tier tax rate. Instead, they spent their income. When they found themselves $10,000 over the line in 1955, and about to pay $9100 to Uncle Sam, they said "Hold up. Let's spend $10000 on something useful and deduct it as a business expense".

That spending turned into paychecks for the workers who produced the purchased item.

$10,000 over the line in 1988 meant they got to put $7,200 into their stock portfolio, send $2,800 to Uncle Sam, and the worker is laid off because they had no incentive to actually spend their excess income.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

This man is responsible for the nightmare that is my life.

Fuck going back in time to kill Hitler, if I ever get into a DeLorean or a phone booth, I'm coming for that ass Reagan! THIS ONE'S GONNA BE FOR FREDDIE MERCURY!

Edit: Just got back, I think I got the wrong year or something, missed my shot too. Feds tried to stop me from getting back to the car, I got them to go bother some dickhead who wouldn't shut up about some Crazy Taxi movie or whatever the hell he was talking about. Can't try again for awhile, DeLorean's out of plutonium.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (3 children)

If I could go back in time and kill three people from history, I'd kill Reagan three times.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Hey, get rid of Ayn Rand and Nixon too

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 days ago

The mental institution thing... That's maybe not entirely fair. Prior to Reagan, most residential mental institutions were terrible places, worse than some of the worst prisons in the US. Closing them seemed better for the residents than keeping them open and attempting to reform. But it's certainly had a lot of unintended consequences.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

There was this one time a painter couldn't hack it

[–] [email protected] 38 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Jimmy Carter lost to him, and while looking back from fifty years later Carter looks progressive...

At the time there was a fracture of the Dem party from the left because they considered Carter too moderate.

The most important part of learning about our political history is understanding what we've lost over time. Like the existence of a party even remotely leftwing.

Quick edit:

A big reason for Carter's loss was the inability to solve the Iranian hostage crisis right before the election. Which we later found out Republicans colluded with Iran to not resolve it while Carter was in office, then the whole Iran-Contra shit.

Also reminiscent of how Nixon prolonged the Vietnam war for the same reason...

And I won't be surprised to find out in a decade Trump did the same with Israel.

Like, people kept acting shocked about current events just don't know we're watching reruns. It's like when people got excited about Game of thrones and waited years between seasons for cliffhangers. The books already existed and they could have just found out what happened.

But just like they wouldn't read the books, nobody wants to read a history book anymore.s

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 days ago

I know he was really bad, but Trump promised he will do everything in his power to be worse.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Sold 500 missiles to Iran is such a hilarious understatement of the shit show that actually was Iran Contra.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago

The whole situation was very complex, and only a mastermind would be able to comprehend the whole thing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

and now he is burning in hell with Tatcher and Pinochet ❤

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

If you ever happen to visit Berlin in Germany, make sure to spit on his memorial plaque, as he is worshiped as a freedom fighter in Germany.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I (german) know of nobody that does that

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

Same shit in Poland. What’s crazy is that we are suffering from his incompetence here as well.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago

Fascists don't actually care about anything other than attacking the poor, minorities, women, etc.

Reagan was "great" for that.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 days ago (2 children)

No offense, but mental institutions were/are horror farms. Could have been better, should have been better, never was.

Among the highest, if not the foremost rate of undeclared abuse. Dumping grounds for the unwanted, unrestricted experimentations for sadistic monsters, no-man's-land for the so-called human rights.

Whatever other evil might have been done, putting an end to those mental institutions can only be a kindness.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm lucky (unlucky?) enough to have worked at a day program for special needs and some of our clients were old enough to have been in institutions, released "to the wild" and then reintegrated into the modern system.

The ones capable of remembering and verbalizing their experiences had some wild stories, and while instutuons were often hell, being kicked out on the streets with no options was worse.

Like, it would be if Biden announced he was fixing the issues with our healthcare system by outlawing medical care.

Sure, the existing system sucks and in a lot of ways it's good it's gone....

But for fucks sake it was better than literally nothing.

That's not even getting into how it demonized mental illness and led to people in rural areas still refusing to get children diagnosed because the label is what they're afraid of. Because all they know about mental illness is all the desperate homeless people Reagan released and they passed those biases down to their children

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago

The number of people that died of AIDS each year under his watch was in the millions. Not 90k.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago

the caption of a political cartoon i remember from back then:

"ronald reagan did for this country what pantyhose did for finger-fucking"

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago

The working class and thus the creation of the middle class was subsidized by our government from FDR up until Reagan. The 1950s wealth and family focus BOOM was a result of this subsidization that began with FDR. It is why everyone (white and male) owned a house, a car, and had a job.

We are living the end result of the Reagan experiment, the flip from subsidizing the working class and thus subsidizing the creation of a middle class, which does not happen organically in capitalism, to the subsidization of corporate and the top 1% instead. The claim was it would be more efficient to subsidize corporate and simply have the wealth trickle down through the rest of the economy.

This, right now, is how trickle down pans out after the 40yr experiment. We’ve equalized woman and non white people under the law, great, but did it in a time without subsidy. So now we are all equally shit upon, barring some holdover family accumulations dating back to the 50s.

And now, drum roll, we’ve elected President Musk, the grand winner of said 40yr subsidization experiment, the ultimate welfare queen, to decide our working class government efficiency going forward.

I wonder how that will work for working class going forward?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Ronnie was a senile racist POS and he pushed the deregulation for the financial sector.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

He was re-elected in a landslide because America is and has been--for at least my entire lifetime--all about aesthetics.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

As non American I was ready to just move on and let them suffer in their own cycle of nonsense. But we can't even do that. Since jokes about invasions are increasing at an alarming rate. Jokes about countries sovereignty became completely unfunny after Feb 2022.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

If this next administration isn't the actual downfall of democracy and just another blip in history I wonder if trump will have the same sort of vibe to his legacy that Regan has.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago

First president I ever became aware of. Fuck him and everything to do with him.

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