circuitfarmer

I think it is important to understand the nuance here. In many ways, the Republican party is now a victim of its own rhetoric.

They have convinced a sizeable portion of the base that Trump won the election, regardless of mountains of evidence to the contrary. That is no small feat for the propaganda machine.

The problem is, there are saner folks in the Republican party -- we have seen many of them come out with very public endorsements of Harris, and that's only the famous ones. The Republicans know they need to stop the bleeding.

But the dumber among their base see this as an ultimatum. Saying Trump lost is playing into what they think is a biased media narrative. Vance didn't answer the question during the debate because to do so would have instantly alienated him from his own party base.

To retain anyone who isn't a bozo and is actually trying to make an informed decision, it would be important for the party to distance themselves from the conspiratorial nonsense once and for all. For all intents and purposes, it is currently impossible for them to do that.

Thus it is good that we speak up with any evidence like this that Team Trump is the same old bunch of weird losers they always have been. Regardless of what concessions they try to make to woo the non-crazies, facts are facts, and alternative facts don't exist.

None of this is surprising. It feels like we hear shit like this every single day, and yet half the country still feels like they want this clown back in office.

Propaganda is a helluva drug. Nancy Reagan would blush.

"Free speech" does not mean free from consequences. It seems to be very difficult for some people to understand this.

If you say something on social media which the company deems against TOS, they have every right to bump you. It is not a public forum, regardless of what misunderstanding people may have. It is the digital equivalent of a private company kicking you out of the store for yelling obscenities at customers.

Did they ever ramp down?

Especially when creators find interesting ways to work them in, which is pretty often, in my experience. They're the one type of ad that doesn't annoy me.

"I hate Sidney. She's coarse and rough and irritating, and she gets everywhere."

Zero logic to Vance's take. It's as if they're just claiming immigrants to be the root of all problems, because they have no real platform without someone to scapegoat.

Remember kids: these people aren't out to help you. They're out to get your vote so that they can make themselves and their buddies richer with both money and power. They will say anything if they think it will scare you into voting red.

It is not a stretch to say that Lügenpresse is a key talking point of the Trump platform. Was the exact word said at the debate? No. Has Trump (and potentially Vance) called the press liars when it comes to the Trump campaign? Yes, on many occasions.

We shouldn't split hairs about semantics in the face of fascism.

...seriously?

And the fact that Lügenpresse has even come up at all is freaking wild. That's something which should send a chill down the spine of anyone with even a whiff of understanding of modern history.

That they're down the rabbit hole about it should be impossible. The whole idea should have been political suicide. I take it as evidence of the extreme control years and years of Republican propaganda has on its constituents. They not only vote against their own interests, but they now actively stand against democracy. Absolutely insane.

Yeah, I've noticed that change as well. It was fun while it lasted.

Oh, yeah. Fair enough. Totally agree.