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The Jedi code teaching students that emotions are dangerous, is about as useful as teaching abstinence in sex ed.

Stop teaching people to ignore attachments and focus on dealing with them in a healthy way instead.

He clearly proved that he wasn't ready to be a master - it's not like a martial arts rank that you mostly just get because you're skilled, they also want you to be able to embody the ideals they stand for (flawed as they may be).

They certainly could have trained him better, but that makes them idiots, not assholes. But first and foremost, their most important failure was not detecting that Palpatine was a sith.

Mundi had a special exemption because his species was going extinct, and it was always supposed to be about attachment anyway - it's plausible that Mundi was able to produce offspring without personal attachment. Anakin could never have done it like that.

i think the fact he was turned so easily proves he shouldnt have been trained to the extent he was. that single failure caused the eventual death of millions

I've always considered, seperate to this larger discussion, that the Jedi are saying one thing and believing another uncritically. They want to bring balance to the force... By eliminating the sith.

Balance. A state of equilibrium. Notoriously not very well known for existing in a system where one of two elements has been removed.

"Only a sith deals in absolutes". Complete unthinking hipocracy in the name of the light.

yea, the jedi were ideological conservatives.

and that meme where Qui-Gon jinn brings back both Anakin and his mom instead of just Anakin?

is a very legitimate point.

the Jedi council chose to keep a jedi's mother in slavery instead of reuniting their family, freedom which would have come at a truly insignificant cost to the council.

100%

The Jedi weren't "good" they were the absent of evil and that will never be enough for a just society because evil will exploit it eventually.

Being a master isn't just about skill, it's also about wisdom and experience, perhaps even more than skill. It's perfectly reasonable that they wouldn't want to elevate him to that rank yet, given his behavior.

Jedis are a cult. They want to bring peace but basically hold power and a hierarchical order, and don't plan on questioning it. Funny because that also was an issue of the Sovietic Party.

Everyone in that story is basically an asshole.

They're all somewhat sympathetic. But yeah, the Sith suck, but so do the Jedi. This was also kind of emphasized in the Acolyte. But even before that, yeah, if you look at the prequels the Jedi were kind of dicks.

In a way, they did cause the fall of their own order just because they had bad vibes about Anakin instead of actually guiding him to not turn out the way they sensed. Seems a bit dickish to shun a dude just because the possibility that he turns out evil instead of, you know, teaching him not to be evil.

Luke ends up doing the same damn thing in the sequels. Scares the fuck outta his nephew which drives him to evil all because he had an intrusive thought and pulled out his lightsaber.

Somehow the entirety of the most messed up shit in the movies boils down to overreactions to perceived threats, while the very real threat sits back and consolidates power.

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