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[–] dnick 4 points 3 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago

Let me introduce you to Goptjaam, probably the closest "language" that fits what you mean: https://youtu.be/ze5i_e_ryTk

[–] [email protected] 8 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

Professional academic linguist here. (Yes, that's a thing.)

Words have the meanings that communities apply to them. There is no governing body over word meanings. There can be a tension (e.g. two groups using the same term in different ways), but that doesn't really mean that the word means both. Words mean different things to different groups. It has to be this way, for epistemic and pragmatic reasons.

In that sense, meanings are not consciously assigned. So the answer to your original question could be "no".

But in another sense, all meanings are possible for any given meaningful sequence around the world. Which means, in principle, given infinite communities of practice, a word could have infinite meanings. A stretch, of course.

Edit:

There is no governing body over word meanings

I'm speaking here in terms of global English. There are some languages that have governing bodies, or at least bodies that claim to be governing bodies, like French with the Académie Française. But this is not at all the norm.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Professional academic linguist

🧐

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Or, to put it another way, (unprofessional academic linguist here), a word has meanings by what you mean by it, and what the listener understands it to mean.

In a sense, it can mean anything you want it to. In another sense, it can mean anything the listener/reader interprets it as. Most useful though is when you mean the same meaning that the listener understands.

And for "accepted/official meaning", that's just a community all agreeing on a meaning. Optionally with a recognised group (e.g. dictionary writer) affirming certain meanings as accepted in the community.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

I think you're getting at intended meaning versus received meaning. Which is totally a thing, but intended meaning is far less well understood than accepted meaning (not necessarily at the word level, but definitely at the sentence level).

At the sentence level, companies pay big money to have tens of thousands of sentences manually annotated for intended meaning (to try and train AI to be able to discern it automatically).

[–] ricecake 59 points 22 hours ago

Smurf yeah we can.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

I am Groot.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] TopRamenBinLaden 1 points 12 hours ago

Marklar yea, marklar.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Edit: I just have to bitch about a stupid website called GIFer that uses mp4 not gif... Stupid.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 21 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 21 points 22 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 20 hours ago

☹️😐🙂😐☹️😐🙂

[–] [email protected] 20 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The the the the the, the the the the the the the the; the the the the the the.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

mother-motherfuck

mother-motherfuck-fuck

motherfuck, motherfuck,

Noinch noinch noinch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCNH-0CBfr8

[–] [email protected] 8 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago

Police police police police. Police police police police police police.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago

I saw a mechanic throw down a wrench and shout "the fuck-fucking fucker's fucking fucked AGAIN" and we all knew the deadline needed a push.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 21 hours ago

You've certainly shown the diversity of the word.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

ACK! ACK ACK ACK ACK. ACK ACK.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago

He comes in peace!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

There's a sci-fi movie from USSR, "Kin-dza-dza". The natives of another planet in another galaxy were telepathes, but used language consisting of only a few words. "Koo" was for almost any word, "kiu" for swearing, "ketse" for matches (most valuable asset) and a few more. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin-dza-dza!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago

You sure as squantch can!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Not really. A word with every meaning is meaningless itself, since it doesn't allow you to narrow down the word's intended meaning from the set of all possible meanings.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago

[audience looks around] 'What just happened?' 'There must be some context we're missing.'

[–] [email protected] 12 points 22 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] SomeAmateur 8 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

sounds skibidi

[–] [email protected] 10 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Yes, literally.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

In theory, yes. In practice, no.

The association between meaning and word is arbitrary, but socially dictated. You'd need to have other people accepting that that word conveys that meaning in at least some context.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

May I mambo dogface to the banana patch?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I love it when you talk dirty!

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

That's what the word "aught" means. Literally "anything at all."

Dragon's Dogma really loves using it for just about any meaning, too, which is why I had to look it up lol

[–] skulblaka 6 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

That's "jawn" in Philly. It can stand in for literally any object. "These jawns are expensive" "Make a left at the jawn" "Jawn said he ain't coming" "This jawn is packed"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Or "da kine" in Hawaiian pidgin.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

every time I see a transplant refer to an animate object as jawn they get mocked raucously by the phillyborn

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[–] xmunk 3 points 22 hours ago

I aught aught that aught I?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Correct me if I'm old, but isn't this kinda what gen Z is doing with skibidi?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I thought we did this with buffalo

[–] [email protected] 6 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Buffalo, buffalo buffalo buffalo, buffalo bufalo buffalo? Buffalo buffalo buffalo.

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