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Summary

Many Democrats, especially women, expressed disillusionment and frustration online, viewing the result as a reflection of deep-seated misogyny in the U.S.

Harris supporters highlighted anger that a “felony convicted, twice-impeached” Trump prevailed over a female candidate.

Comparisons to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 loss resurfaced, with many attributing Trump’s win to targeted appeals to young men, including appearances with influencers like Joe Rogan.

The election outcome has intensified concerns over growing right-wing radicalization among young men.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 hours ago

No, America is not too racist or sexist to elect a woman of color. It’s that they need to be a progressive. It’s a package deal.

There’s simply not many people who fall into ‘progressive enough to vote for a woman of color, but conservative enough to be anti-immigrant and pro-genocide.’

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

“Republicans hate women.” Plain and simple. Saw it on a t-shirt and just had to have it. God bless the truth coming out💙

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago

Oh wait this is not The Onion.

Oh no people here are actually buying this crap.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

Trump voters are misogynistic assholes, that's a given, and pay off the reason the Dems shouldn't have been trying to get them... But it's not like a bunch of people who voted for Joe went and voted for Trump... He didn't get more votes this time. Millions of Biden voters just didn't show up... And I don't believe for a second that they didn't show up because they just didn't want to vote for a woman

It does suck that this country has so many misogynists... But they are a known factor and can/should have been planned for... that's not what cost Dems this election

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

While there were many detrimental factors Dems failed to properly address or apparently expected to be treated as positives, the obvious main one was attempting to outflank the GOP from the right. Every attempt to talk negatively about immigration or social issues was bound to result in more people taking Trump seriously instead of thinking Dems will do something. Everything about the illegal immigration rethoric was false, from the numbers to the effects, and Dems knew it - they decided they wanted to pretend this issue exists, so they can also play the right wing populist game. Pro-genocidal rethoric was also something right wing electorate knew Trump would do better, and some people disgusted with that rethoric decided not to vote. Dems wanted to become more right wing, to get that sweet ability to talk complete bullshit about everything and cover their inefficiencies with the mirages of bigotry. They believed their more "reasonable" right wing populist will win instead of wild maniacy like Trump - exactly as they did back in 2016, except this time Kamala had the chance to shape a different image for herself and she refused to do so. They gambled going to get away with moving further right and still getting elected, since Trump should have been very unpopular by all metrics they were capable of imagining. Instead, they gained no votes from the right and lost a fuck ton from the center and the left. Their arrogant and callous campaign sentenced many americans to likely death. They absolutely could have fought with all they had and ceded concessions to their voters instead of donors and "allies" like Israel. They could have went left instead of right, as many of us hoped after the Walz VP pick. Instead they lost, as the worse and less dedicated right wing party of US. They're to blame for what's going to happen next, not some abstract impossible to be pointed with finger voters. Yeah, Harris being a black woman in this deeply conservative society was a detriment to her chances. That was outside of her control, unlike everything else she did or didn't do.

I'll be honest, unless most of the Democratic Party gets purged, it's probably meaningless to vote for them (assuming you even can) in 2028. There couldn't have been easier victory to be had, and they fucked it up. They should have called Trump a pedophile, but were afraid that their own pedophiles like Clinton would get hit with a shrapnell. They could have promised to tax the ultra rich, like Elon Musk down to the fucking ground, but they wanted their money themselves. They didn't want to promise anything big, knowing fully well that no one would believe them with their terrible track record of implementing any meaningful and radical chances, while Trump claimed everything was the fault of immigrants and foreign adversaries and promised radical actions against them. Believing that they wont pull the same bullshit in 2028 is naive, they will refuse to learn anything from this catastrophe, move further right and campaign on "returning to the norm". Fuck them. Let the greedy fucks burn, just as you will because of them. USA needs a third (and fourth, and fifth...) party, and it needs it now instead of in 4 years. Dems should be completely discarded, and I hope the pain you will feel in next 4 years, pain that they could have prevented but chose not to instead, will convince you as well.

Yeah, I'm done, sorry for the rant. Posts casting blame on voters instead of Dems majorly piss me off right now.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Trump used misogyny the entire campaign.

I guess that had nothing to do with it ? I guess that you are saying that was just a coincidence ?

Nice talking to you.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Misogyny likely played a small factor. AZ for example has trump up by a couple percent, but also Kari Lake down a couple percent. And her whole platform was “whatever helps trump”. The numbers aren’t huge, but it’s likely at least part of that gap.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I've been joking since she won her primary that she's going to lose because even the Dems in AZ are sexists who like veterans.

The race is narrower than I would've expected because Harris's right-wing heelturn fucked the down ballot races. I genuinely believe that lowered turnout in big numbers

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

A portion of voters didn't even know Joe Biden had dropped from the race or why. Everyone thinking it's merely that the policies weren't progressive enough is clueless about the information environment many Americans live in today.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

They hate black women, Hillary Clinton actually won the popular vote

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Harris still might, California is only 60% counted with mostly urban places left to count.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

It wouldn't be much, but I still hope Harris wins the popular vote -- even though I think she was a fucking garbage candidate. At least then I can go back to shouting from the highest tower that we should abolish the electoral college -- but living in a world where Trump won the popular vote tells me America as a whole isn't better than this, this is exactly who the majority of Americans are -- hateful, scared and short sighted. I was lied to by my parents for my entire life -- they told me there were more good people than bad people, but then they got old and they started voting for the very same bad people they taught me how to recognize. What the everloving fuck happened

[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

Women should just fucking leave their Trump voting husband/boyfriend and should go no contact with their Trump loving fathers, brothers and sons. Seriously if the men don’t stand behind their women why should these women even support their men.

Go let them wallow in misery. And let them fight over the remaining nut job women who voted for Trump. The Trump male to Trump female ratio doesn’t favor these men in the dating scene.

[–] blockheadjt 3 points 4 hours ago

Some will. Some can't.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 hours ago

These men who are meant to be protectors of the women in their lives have committed the ultimate betrayal of selling them out as slaves. What vile creatures. How could anyone stand to be in the same room as a man who did that to you. That would make me sick to my core.

[–] GhiLA 6 points 10 hours ago

They don't value women enough to consider that a loss.

For them, all of the smart women shutting up or leaving is probably beneficial.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

It's not "just" that, but it was the deciding factor that made this all moot from the start.

The people who voted for trump are, in their DNA, at their core, bigoted cowards that wouldn't have been swayed by anything else - She has a vagina and she's black - That's all it was ever going to be.

" I was this close, Bill... I just wanted more policy details... More time... If only they didn't make me vote for trump".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

The people who voted for trump are, in their DNA, at their core, bigoted cowards that wouldn’t have been swayed by anything else - She has a vagina and she’s black - That’s all it was ever going to be.

" I was this close, Bill… I just wanted more policy details… More time… If only they didn’t make me vote for trump".

My Trump-supporting mother, mother-in-law, father-in-law, sister-in-law and sister would all cite "abortion is murder" and "criminal illegals" bullshit before Harris' vagina or skin ever came into it.

I almost wish the Dems had run Biden despite his terrible debate performance so that people wouldn't blame the Dems losing on Harris' vagina and skin color instead of her terrible campaign.

Trump did about as well as he did in 2020, that Harris lost is because she did worse than Biden did in 2020. Fear of Trump wasn't as fresh to animate the base and she only really courted moderate republicans and middle class white women in the latter stages of her (short) campaign and that hurt turnout and turnout is the most important thing for Dems.

[–] [email protected] 122 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (16 children)

I don't think that way, personally.

I think that America is just dumb af. Every stance Republican Voters claim to care about: Trump performs worse on. But they were told he was their guy by Facebook, TikTok, YouTube, Twitter, etc. Money won the race.

[–] Lucidlethargy 3 points 2 hours ago

Yup. This was my conclusion as well. Elon likely turned the tide of the election, and he barely dipped into his available funds.

All of us struggling to survive, making an honest living... We're just seen as trash. Trump, Elon, Jeff... They don't have to call us garbage. They know we're garbage. They know it every time they both commit, and get away with crimes, and every time they toss money around with barely a thought.

It's already so bad... The inflation, the debt, the hours. The average American is no longer hopeful that they might achieve prosperity. What happens when Trump raises our taxes, while cutting taxes for the wealthy? What happens when the war on porn and abortion is cranked up? What happens when hundreds of millions of people become desperate, disillusioned, and disenfranchised?

I think Putin knows. I know. You all probably have some idea.

Help the people around you as much as you can, everyone. Don't let the country descend into chaos. Even when countless Americans hate us for it, we have to help even those people.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

I think this is basically it. Americans are stupid, immoral people.

They put a proven rapist, convicted felon, and fascist in the White House after he killed a million Americans with Covid and openly talked about deploying the military on our fellow citizens.

Americans are, without a doubt, some of the shittiest people on the planet.

[–] Lucidlethargy 1 points 2 hours ago

You could say the same about the people of any country that's committed terrible acts. It's easier sometimes to demonize an entire people - fascists do this famously with great success. Trump won, in no small part, because he did exactly this.

So sure, you can do the same. You can call all Americans shitty. Maybe thats the lesson you can take from all of this: It worked for Trump, so why not you?

I don't agree with this sort of thing, though. I don't agree with fascist talking points. I think this sort of thinking leads to unspeakable things.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

It's what decades of intentional suppression of education paired with propaganda will do to people.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 hours ago

Let's not forget the network of churches fomenting regressive lessons, for decades.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Americans are, without a doubt, some of the shittiest people on the planet.

I don’t know about that. But it might be argued that they are really bad considering they have excellent access to information and still chose the path of least resistance, that being information at appeals to their beliefs.

[–] Lucidlethargy 1 points 2 hours ago

This guy won the popular vote by a 3% margin. We beat him last time by a 4% margin.

But sure... Let's pretend everyone in America chose this guy last Tuesday.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 15 hours ago

The bar probably does go lower than you think for humanity, but yeah we might be approaching all new lows.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 17 hours ago (7 children)

Don’t underestimate misogyny / bro culture in the US. Combine that with machismo in some subcultures and the weird religious beliefs that women should be subservient and at home making babies and we’ll never see a female president at this rate.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

The fact that "tradwife" entered the lexicon and is popular on social media tells you basically everything you need to know about how many Americans think of women in this country.

[–] ayyy 1 points 4 hours ago

My dude we don’t have presidents anymore.

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[–] Habahnow 72 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

Honestly, I feel we have a huge disinformation problem. A war really where billionaires, Russia, Iran,and China are on one side and we're on the other. They treat it like a war while we treat it like a small infestation. So many Republicans I speak with bring up reason why they support trump that are reasonable: Better economy, Protecting children, protecting rights, protecting jobs, reducing crime.in a vacuum, cool candidate. Except that many of the strategies he utilize to accomplish those goals seems illegal or unhelpful. Even worse, who cares if he could and would accomplish those goals, He tried to overthrow the government. Yet all the Republicans I know view that as untrue. Mainly in the form of, "I don't hear about it much, so it's either fake news,or not really a coup"

Why? Because they get their news from faux news and social media that have focused on keeping those negative aspects of him buried. And both of those things have huge reach.they are the eyes and ears of these voters, how can they not believe their eyes and ears that tell them that Trump is great?

Until that problem is dealt with, we can't have an informed population that votes. Instead we will have a large group of uninformed voters. It's not their fault, they're just some of the first casualties in this disinformation war.

[–] ayyy 2 points 4 hours ago

Don’t take the word of a fascist at face value. They don't argue in good faith. They are all racists and sexists, every single one. They’re just too cowardly to say it to your face.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

“So many Republicans I speak with bring up reason why they support trump that are reasonable: Better economy, Protecting children, protecting rights, protecting jobs, reducing crime”

Except Trump has done none of these things. These people are lying to you, and probably to themselves.

[–] Habahnow 6 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

That's the point I'm trying to make(but didn't do well). Successful Media is telling Trump can, has and will do these things . If they're told this repeatedly, with no other sane opinions, of course they will believe it. Worse still, they're also told views to the contrary are completely false and should be disregarded

[–] [email protected] 50 points 18 hours ago (5 children)

I saved a comment from u/allmhuran posted to r/news on 2016-06-24:

"Australia has had five prime ministers in five years, the poor yanks look as though they'll have to choose between two options both of which have more disapproval than approval, and the UK leaves the EU. It seems like a ridiculous amount of instability. One might even call it absurd.

But it's not surprising.

You can't feed a society exaggeration, hyperbole and propaganda for over a decade, and then claim surprise when people don't seem to be making rational decisions on the basis of well established truth.

There's a cost associated with not telling the truth. There's a cost associated with polarized, adversarial public discourse. There's a cost associated with media more concerned with profits than the public interest.

It is, apparently, time to pay the piper."

[–] [email protected] 9 points 12 hours ago

I think education is a factor here as well. People collectively seemed to have started just taking any sources word as objective truth with no rationalisation or justification. The fact we now have google forcing ai answers onto people that are factually wrong or unreliable and most just don't question it is emblematic of the problem. People lack critical thinking now.

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