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All I know is, and I know I'll get destroyed for this kinda proving my point, but I've never seen so much division, insults, hate, and even racism, thrown around by leftists to other leftists, than I have in this election. The intolerance and in fighting is through the roof.
I don't mind progressives staying home in 2016 to send the message to the DNC that a more progressive candidate was needed.
What I have a problem with is those same progressives showing up for Biden in record numbers in 2020, which sends a conflicting message to the DNC that you do need to put up a white moderate against Trump, and then staying home in 2024 when another moderate is on the ticket.
I hear you Bernie bros, I wish Bernie had been on the ticket in 2016 as well, but we'll never know whether he would have beat Trump in the general. I would have rather given Trump four more years in 2020, then have to still deal with him now.
Now it's both totally unclear whether a progressive candidate could actually win in the general, and we have to deal with Trump until 2028. If the Democrats put up a progressive candidate like an AOC for 2028 and still lose... Then we're completely fucked and would have to swing moderate again in 2032.. would progressives still stay home out of protest if it's when that progressive policies are unpopular in the general election? Or would progressives finally agree to get behind a moderate candidate?
To be clear, I hope the Democratic primaries for 2028 do yield a more progressive candidate, and that they do win the general, but this is a really dangerous gamble. I hope the nation, world and vulnerable groups can hang on while we see if it will pay off.
For a non-American this thread and other like this are hilarious: the people who spent the last year campaigning "Vote Not Trump" now blame everybody else but themselves for how their strategy of having a candidate who did nothing to appeal to voters and sold fear of the other instead, failed miserably.
So they post tons of such "it's the fault of everybody else" memes as topics were they and other members of the tribe make posts with wild ass reasons for why it really is everybody else's faults and responding to such posts from others by basically saying "yeah, you're so right", like one gigantic circle jerk, pretty much a continuation of what they were doing for a whole fucking year - a big fat circle jerk whilst not paying attention to anybody else - only now they're doing it with sad faces.
Sure, it's the 14 millions who stayed home that are to blame, not the massive incompetence of the DNC and the mindless tribalist muppets trading dumb Trump and Vance memes whilst thinking that their "leaders" deserved a win merelly for wearing the right pin on their jacket and not being Trump, without needing to actually have policies that appealed to their natural voters.
"Bloody natural Democrat voters, not going to polls and doing what they're supposed to do!"
What a heady, heady mix of stupidity and sense of entitlement.
Reminds me of the whole saying: "Only two things are infinite - the Universe and Human Stupidity - and we're not sure about the first"
The message was loud and clear: America writ large is not ready for anything less than a straight, white, male president. Its time to stop being delusional, Obama was a fluke, and not going to be repeated. You might not like hearing it, but its the reality on the ground, don't take it from me.
In retrospect, I think Biden could have shat himself on live TV while asleep at the podium and probably have still gotten elected, the bar was so, so low. Kamala basically ran a prefect campaign, its just not what America wants.
I heard plenty of jokes from Democrats who said when voting for Obama that they were voting for his white half. So your not wrong.
Yeah that could be true, or it might also be true that people don't like corporate Democrats. Or maybe other issues are important. Maybe Harris was weak on Palestine. Maybe it mattered that the old man took so long to get himself out of the race. Maybe the fact that felons can't vote played a role. Maybe the electoral college was a factor.
Wait a second, we can go on and on and come up with all of these reasons that you don't think matter at all, but everyone else knows they do.
Obama was a once in many generation politician, he had charisma and appeal no democrat president ever had. Democrats better field a white straight male from now on if they want to win, forget women president for 3-4 decades now. The kind of misogyny in america is crazy, I am from India, a third world country and even we had a female Prime Minister in our 75 year of independent history, and she was very much respected and one of the most popular. America in its 250 year of history had none, thats just crazy for a so called superpower