NonCredibleDefense

Yeah but arent you gonna attack me when I defensively invade some sovereign country?!!

Checkmate

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I'm mostly pro NATO but that is litteraly the worst single argument possible anyone ever made. Here's a one word answer that totally shred its credibility: Lybia.

It's only for defense until we decide to invade a country... but anyway, the real strength of NATO as a weapon is political influence. It allows the US to impose their security objectives to all the other members, and currently their main competitor is China and that was transcribed into NATO's official strategy in 2022 with the stated objective to expend into the Indian and Pacific ocean specifically to counter them.

Can't really expect them to like it.

Defending the middle eastern against people who own the oil 😎

I mean, that's a kinda-lovable looking Darth Vader.

Here's a Danish Nazi poster that has America as a four-armed giant. Two of the arms are black, and one is carrying a noose. There's a Klu Klux Klan hood on his head. One hand is wielding a record via which America spreads culture. Another a bag of money with a Jewish guy hanging on the back. The upper torso is a cage with two black people dancing the jitterbug in it. One arm, in a prison sleeve and with a dangling manacle, is carrying a Thompson submachine gun single-handed. One arm is playing a drum, which makes up the lower torso. There's a beauty pagent leg, and the other is a big industrial tube dropping a bomb, presumably representing American industrial munitions output. Despite pre-dating NCD by about seventy years, it's got aircraft wings and two scantily-clad women, one blowing a trumpet and the other waving an American flag, resting on the shoulders. And a Jewish crotch-flap.

Italy had a propaganda poster with a kilometer-high skeletal Statue of Liberty.

We always wish we're as good as our opponent's propaganda

It's got one star. Doubtless one of Liberia:

Chile

...or Texas.

In 2022 NATO under US guidance, or is that pressure, who knows, revised it's strategic plan to include expansion into the Indian and Pacific ocean as a prime objective by increasing military collaboration with the usual suspect of AU and NZ but also Japan, South Korea, and most likely in the future additional prospect such as the Philippines and anyone else willing or coercible.

Everyone there will have to choose a big daddy in the coming decades and that either uncle Sam or uncle Xi. In both case it's the kind of uncle that comes to your bedroom at night but that's another topic.

Later this month, Australia, Japan, New Zealand and South Korea are participating in a NATO Defence Ministerial for the first time and Mark Rutte (NATO Secretary General) reconfirmed in press conference dated October 1 that the plan was to "add meat to the bone" of their participation. Basically, them joining NATO eventually. (I guess that makes them NAPTO)

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_229150.htm?selectedLocale=en

China used to be cooperative with NATO, even though they never particularly liked it but they even went as far as having shared exercise and shared objectives, notably in the anti-piratery defense in the Gulf of Aden. There are 3 key things that changed their mind:

• The bombing of their embassy in Belgrade by the US under NATO command in 1999. Which obviously had a tremendous impact on the population.

• The attack on Lybia by a NATO command. Which China saw a change of policy from a purely defensive posture to an aggressive and ingerent posture by NATO.

The fact is that Lybia was never a risk to any NATO country and it should never have been a NATO operation. (especially since it was mostly used to cover the french president campaign financing fraud... Long and not so relevant story).

• The change of geographical area of concern from America/Europe Vs Russia to the world against China.

Nowadays, NATO doesn't hide the belief that "Threats are global" and that they want to act "far and near" to "protect the interests of their members population" (Honestly "interests" is such a vague word). Seems like straying a bit far from "we only bite if you try to invade us". Sounds more like world policing. China obviously doesn't want to answer to another power. (No one does but they are strong enough to say it).

And when you see an alliance being formed against you, you have two choices, lie down or fight back. China will fight back obviously.

And this is why they care about "North Atlantic". They don't.

Liberty Prime Knows Why.