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“That son of a bitch, Bibi Netanyahu, he’s a bad guy,” said Biden privately, according to Woodward. “He’s a bad fucking guy!”

Reads like a bloody Onion article.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I am firmly of the opinion that there is SOMETHING Israel has over the US that is probably super classified and super damning. Why else would BOTH parties, in one of, if not THE most influencial voting season in our country, agree on supporting Israel?

For how much the Republicans stand with Israel (and how many actually don't care about genocide since pretty much every Neo-Nazi is Republican), it should be the BIGGEST soft-ball issue to run on for Dems to oppose, being the party of "the rights of the people". But they have the presidency and continue supplying weapons to them for their war engine. No matter how many words are said, actions speak louder.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They are the US intelligence operation in the middle east. They are an attack dog for the things the US finds important, meaning they agree with us on economic operations, and will go to war to protect it. Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc. These are all just countries who are willing to actively work in the economic interests of the US as it benefits them. This allows the US access to their intel, to put military facilities in their countries, to use new weapons systems through their conflicts. They protect the standing of the petrodollar.

The US doesn't give a shit if a tiny, powerless, economically insignificant population, or a thousand, get wiped out. Preserving US domination is more important to the US government, and states like Israel will kill anyone in pursuit of that status quo. The only people they would need to have black mail on are government actors who aren't willing to support them, there are not a majority of those, yet.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Seeing what we did to Assange, Manning, Snowden and others, it's not exactly encouraging.

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[–] dream_weasel 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You're absolutely right.

It's religion. The Jews are in Israel. The Jews are the "chosen people". Religion is retarded and it MAKES people retarded. That's what they've got. Every American moron who is overtly Bible thumping or not is a vote in jeopardy if anybody says boo against Israel.

Religion was great when it was driving human progress around AD 1000, now it's a fucking anchor slowly drowning us all.

Prayer does not empirically improve conditions of people who are sick. The most xtian countries in the world are the worst off by basically every metric. And yet, this brain cancer survives. Luckily we have flax_vert to convert us all or make us want to jump off our local bridge.

[–] captain_aggravated 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I saw Biden give a press conference about the hurricane, and as he was walking out the door one of the reporters asked about his communication with Netanyahu, and he said over his shoulder "We didn't talk about the hurricane."

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I do like his sassy one liners.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

People liked Trumps sassy one liners too, as much as they didnt want to. And Bush's. The more brazenly stupid the better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

Yeah...the people didn't care for the felon, the man who says he just gets to say grab em by the pussy, the one who quoted hitler in such as way as to make it CLEAR he read it thoroughly and vibed with it, or if that wasn't bad enough, being the little bitch boy of that disgusting Russian warmonger. But yes, Biden one liners are a problem /s. I'd grace the average pea with more critical thinking than you.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This country is 1,000,000 Onion Articles in a trenchcoat.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

In a trenchcoat, naked, flashing children in a schoolyard, yes.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I like Joey for a lot of things, but his handling of Israel is not one of them. The words simply don't match the actions. They might decry Israel's actions but quietly they're giving them the go-ahead.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago

When this originally leaked months ago (almost a year actually), people were getting down voted for saying Biden was just mad that Netanyahu was making him look bad in PR.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And than he sent them billions in bombs?

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[–] [email protected] 148 points 3 days ago (100 children)

Maybe stop sending them billions in weapons then, eh?

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Nice to know that he at least can acknowledge reality?

But behind it is a state dept that is ignoring it's own studies rank indictment of isreals murderous actions in order to keep feeding the beast. Maybe it's some far-flung plan to give isreal and netenyahoo all the rope they need to hang themselves, becoming global outcasts, which would then force them into accepting a two-state solution... Or the problem is a lot simpler.

The records and interviews also show that the pressure to keep the arms pipeline moving also comes from the U.S. military contractors who make the weapons. Lobbyists for those companies have routinely pressed lawmakers and State Department officials behind the scenes to approve shipments both to Israel and other controversial allies in the region, including Saudi Arabia. When one company executive pushed his former subordinate at the department for a valuable sale, the government official reminded him that strategizing over the deal might violate federal lobbying laws, emails show.

Weapons sales are a pillar of American foreign policy in the Middle East. Historically, the U.S. gives more money to Israel for weapons than it does to any other country. Israel spends most of those American tax dollars to buy weapons and equipment made by U.S. arms manufacturers.

Don't forget, while Biden and his state dept. is in charge of investigating and ensuring the proper use of these weapons, it's congress that's approving it. A congress that is balls-deep invested in U.S. weapons manufacturers.

For Israel and NATO allies, if the sale is worth at least $100 million for weapons or $25 million for equipment, Congress also gets final approval.

The most widely held defense contractor stock among senators and representatives is Honeywell, an American company that makes sensors and guiding devices that are being used by the Israeli military in its airstrikes in Gaza. The second most commonly held defense stock by Congress is RTX, formerly known as Raytheon, the company that makes missiles for Israel’s Iron Dome, among other weapons systems. - Sludge Article

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (32 children)

The israelis cooperate with Bidens fake "leaks" as well, and pretend to be "upset". As long as the arms keep flowing and the American youth and left is held down-- thats all that matters. While I loathe Trump, captured by Russia and murderous corruption, I also loathe Biden, a lifelong racist misogynist liar bought and paid for by the zionists. Both are also idiots putting on a pretty transparent show. The fact that many americans eat it up and accept it as normal doesnt speak well of us as a people. The western order is truly dead and buried.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (30 children)

The logical conclusion in the face of Biden's other actions such as keeping on sending weapons to Netanyahu and protecting him in the UN, is that this "leak" is a purposeful and carefully crafted bit of PR from Biden's team.

By their own track record, Biden and his minions are about as trustworthy as Netanyahu.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Biden and his minions are about as trustworthy as Netanyahu.

You're leveraging 'about as' pretty heavily here.

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[–] [email protected] 158 points 3 days ago (3 children)

"But we'll still give him whatever he wants. That AIPAC there frightens me"

[–] [email protected] 97 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

Literally...

This comment didn't happen yesterday, it was months ago. And Biden still hasn't changed.

And it still hasn't stopped Bibi from pushing for trump

There is literally no benefit for loyalty to a facist government, the second you're not 100% with them you're 100% against them. It's the same way trump acts

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago

And it still hasn’t stopped Bibi from pushing
There is literally no benefit for loyalty to a facist government, the second you’re not 100% with them you’re 100% against them.

Agreed.

This comment didn’t happen yesterday, it was months ago. And Biden still hasn’t changed.

Biden is almost out anyways. Here's hoping this will be different once Harris has a freer hand.

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[–] [email protected] 86 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (13 children)

AIPAC and Citizens United are actually frightening.

https://abcnews.go.com/538/pro-israel-groups-spent-big-oust-squad-members/story?id=113675889

https://apnews.com/article/cori-bush-aipac-house-race-missouri-568c1a84974b8ba176a8d27a8375de42

They are able to change the outcome of races with seemingly unlimited money. A spend of 8.4 million in a Missouri primary is absurd, and likely is a drop in the bucket of what is spent influencing the presidential race.

I don't think there is a way to fix this either, since the people that should be writing laws to prevent it are the ones benefiting the most.

I imagine this is also happening in Republican primaries, so one can't just vote differently to address the root cause. Both republicans and Democrats seem to be tripping over each other to prove what a friend they are to Israel. It's really weird and stressful to be a US citizen right now.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

When do politicians realize that Israel needs the US a whole lot more than the US needs Israel?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

100% agreed. There are no US bases in Israel except a single radar base in the negev with 12 people in it, and a desk inside an israeli military base with 2 people in it. We dont even resupply our navy in their ports. It was big news in 2016 when we did it once. We have joint air bases just miles from the border of Israel and Jordan that we and Jordan and Britain operate our air force out of. Similar situation in Cyprus.

We have no need of Israel as an "ally" at all, and they have never been useful in any of our military operations in the middle east. They are pure baggage and always have been. To add to that, all their nuclear material that they built their nukes out of was stolen from inside the US. They dont even bother to deny it. No one cares.

The anger at the US by middle eastern people has always been about the abuse and colonization in Gaza. Bin Laden claims he attacked on 9/11 because of the injustcies in Gaza, but we all bought Bush's idiot line that "they hate us for our freedoms". But that colonization has never been necessary or right. Its always been in support of zionist religious land theft goals. We have middle eastern problems and conflict because the Israelis want to steal land. Thats the long and short of it.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

When AIPAC looses it's sting

[–] SapphironZA 16 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Now say it in public and act accordingly.

Defend Israel, but not Netanyahu's government.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (11 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Does defending Israel include extending equal rights to Palestinians and allowing the right of return for refugees and their descendants? Netanyahu or not, I don't think an apartheid state should be defended, especially with resources that could instead be used to help with domestic issues in the US.

[–] SapphironZA 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes, absolutely. Israel and Palestine are places where people live and community structures exist. They belong to the people who live there.

I actually believe a 1 state solution will be more stable in the long term. The defacto 2 state solution, with one under occupation will never work. The Palestinian vote should be enough to swing the Israeli government away from the right.

Restitution needs to be part of the process, but not at the cost of established long communities and stable communities. There is no magic wand to "make it back the way it was". Communities are groups of people, not places. Focus on restoring the networks of people. It won't be fair, but it might be the best option available.

To hell with divine rights and ancestor speak. Secular freedoms for all, before religious freedoms.

It's the only way to peace in the region.

As to how to get to that point, I am terribly underqualified, but a Marshall style international intervention like what happened in Germany and Japan after WWII probably holds some value.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

Fuck Israel too.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Can we stop reporting on Biden or whoever else using salty language unless it’s something along the lines of “I’m cutting off the fucking military aid.”?

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