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A Michigan man was charged Friday with allegedly assaulting a mail carrier over a "Kamala Harris for President" mailer that the mail carrier delivered to his mailbox.

Russell Frank Valleau, 61, of Farmington Hills, Michigan, was charged by Oakland County, Michigan Prosecutor Karen D. McDonald with assaulting a mail carrier.

"The defendant was allegedly upset that he had received mail regarding presidential candidate Kamala Harris and allegedly said that he did not want that 'black b****' in his mailbox," according to press release from the Oakland County, Michigan prosecutor's office said. "He then called the mail carrier a 'black b****' and threatened the carrier. The mail carrier used pepper spray to stop the defendant."


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[–] ted 93 points 5 days ago

A literal case of "don't shoot the messenger".

[–] PrincessLeiasCat 67 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Important detail missing from this article:

He's accused of yelling derogatory, racist and sexual remarks about Harris and the carrier, calling the postal carrier a "Black b****" and lunging at her with a knife.

emphasis mine

https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/postal-carrier-assault-kamala-harris-flyer/

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

I'm shocked, the title of the story left so much out, I was really wondering who the unhinged, deranged psychopath was in a story about someone assaulting a mail carrier for delivering the mail.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The mail carrier used pepper spray to stop the defendant.

Please let there be video. I need it.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago

I'm imagining an overweight man in his 50s just getting fucking obliterated while trying to assault somebody half his age who actually gets off their ass when somebody isn't telling them to.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 5 days ago

Conservatives: Liberals always think about race and only voting for her because she's a black woman. They should vote for the person qualified.

Also conservatives: I do not want that black bitch in my mailbox.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 5 days ago

Another deranged goon from the MAGA party of hate, lies and violence. Take care out there.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 days ago

Wait we can do that? I'm in MI and get 5-6 Trump flyers a week. I don't want that orange bitch in my mailbox.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Tolerates decades of spam in his mailbox. Has melt down when one contains a black female politician.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

"Why do they have to make my mail POLITICAL??"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

That poor snowflake. I get Harris, Trump, and every single damn person that's running for office in my mail. Except for some reason I get duplicates of the Trump ones.

The thing is, it's worked. Simply by doubling up the lies changed my mind. If they are that so sure about the things they say and say it with conviction without nary a difference it must be true.

Nah, just more recycling.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I try not to judge with incomplete facts...

but damn, do I hope the fucker is now blind - you know, to ease the terrible pain of having to look at people with (assumption incoming) a different skin color from his. you are the problem. fuck you.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 5 days ago

Depending upon local state laws, he may have also lost his right to vote, now that he’s a criminal. I’m sure he is glad to be relieved of that burden.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

75% chance he's secretly attracted to black women, but thinks it's wrong for some reason, so he lashes out at them.

We've seen this scenario play out a few too many times.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 days ago (2 children)

He was charged with one count of ethnic intimidation, a felony, and one count of assault and battery, which is a misdemeanor…

Huh? Shouldn’t the crime of actually harming someone be at least as serious as threatening to?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

In this case there was a knife involved and clearly the mail carrier wasn't threatening him (maybe his poor fee-fees) so that should be a felony. If he'd attack someone for doing their job he'd probably attack someone for stepping on his lawn or using his driveway to turn around.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

Oh noes! Not his fee-fees!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (2 children)

There's a lot more gradation in laws against actually hurting people. I'm guessing misdemeanor assault here means that an attempt was made, but maybe he punched the carrier once and the pepper spray stopped him. An aggressive threat and a fairly ineffective attack? That kinda makes sense to me

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

"Assault" is shouting and threatening, "battery" is actually making contact. It sounds like she got the pepper spray out in time to prevent him from touching her, which is a very good thing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

Hmm. I can see that.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 days ago (1 children)

this country is so cool i love living here

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

I tell ya what, it's not boring. That's for sure.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 days ago

Way to go mail carrier with the pepper spray on the average Trump voter!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago

This is somehow the Democrats fault. They need to tone down their violent rhetoric 😭

/s

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 days ago

Nice pepper spray to his eyes.

I hope no one helped him until the police arrived.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

When there a vidoes of everything these days why couldn't there be one of this jackass getting pepper sprayed.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Hear, hear😓

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago

❄️ alert

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Assaulting a federal employee is a felony... that fucking moron. He should have sprayed enough capsaicin into his eyes that he would never see any presidential candidate or anything else again.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

She, but yeah. It sounds like after she sprayed him down he was fully incapacitated by the time the cops got to him.

At least he got a nice solid dose.

[–] Skoobie 11 points 5 days ago

Probably wasn't labeled as pepper spray. We aren't allowed any extra weapons on the job. But we are given Dog Spray. She sprayed him with Dog Spray. Which to be fair, is essentially pepper spray. But the label reads Dog Spray.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Doesn't this count as a hate crime if the guy was saying heinous shit right before the assault?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago

Indeed. And he was charged for that.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago

People are not well.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

charged with allegedly assaulting

Is this correct use of "allegedly"? The man allegedly assaulted someone, so he was charged with assault. Or they can just say "charged for allegedly assaulting".

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (2 children)

It's a means for the news source to cover its ass. They can't outright say it as a fact otherwise they run the risk of getting sued if the courts find the man innocent.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago

They can't say that the man assaulted someone as a fact. But that the man was charged with assault is a fact. Alleged attack is not a charge, so "charged with allegedly attacking" is nonsensical. To cover their ass they can say "charged for allegedly attacking", which shows that he was charged, why he was charged, and also adds the required "allegedly".

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Not putting out a Harris/Walz yard sign was a good move I feel.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I live in a very diverse, quiet, and friendly neighborhood, but I'm still nervous about putting out a Harris/Walz sign.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

In reality it's not likely to be a problem, if only because humans are animals and as a result are mostly idiot cowards and will usually engage in threat displays before actual violence, but there's no point in tempting rabid dogs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I don't understand why anyone puts up a sign for the major presidential candidates. What is the point? People already know who they are. All you're doing is advertising your position.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago

NGL it is reassuring and even a bit motivating to see the signs when you're in a red or purple state.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

Funny how today is the first day we've gotten any political fliers in my office, and the same day I see this. Didn't take very long at all for a Magat to assault one of us over the election, and I guarantee it won't be the last.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

Spicy eyes! Spicy eyes!

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