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[–] [email protected] 147 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

i still prefer the original official motto: E Pleribus Unum - From many, one - for it speaks to the true power of our people united in common cause and the very real danger of our division.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 months ago (13 children)

"E pluribus unum" = “Out of many, one."

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How precise is this translation?

I've also heard "From many, one", which can be taken two ways: the same celebration of the individual (presumably over other individuals), or that the many come together as one, which is a much clearer call to action.

I prefer the Voltron version.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I myself prefer E Pleribus Anus

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's a great saying, but the flag is even better *

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Many things come from my anus

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

Also has a secondary interpretation: out of the many countries in the world, one of them. Putting the US on equal footing with the nations of old — despite not having a king with a divine right to sovereignty.

I like this interpretation because anno 2024 it also counterweights US exceptionalism.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Not American, but here's my 0.02 euros:

The strength of the country was always in its' diversity and the fact that motivated people came together to build better lives.

Nowadays there are people who hate the former and in terms of the latter, immigration is pretty hard and the H-1B is a lottery that unfortunately favors sweatshops (and yes, I'm salty because I'm a software engineer with no formal education so y'all don't want me).

I get that there are legitimate reasons for limiting migration (your own people do want to work too, of course), but it does also limit economic growth and influx of different cultures.

Being from a small country in the EU that nobody's heard of, the EU and its' open borders are sorta doing the same to us now: Don't get me wrong, it's still primarily other white people migrating here, but at least they're people of slightly different cultures, with different experiences. It benefits everyone because we all have something to learn from one another.

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[–] [email protected] 95 points 3 months ago

The "in God we trust" slogan thing was first used during the Civil War, and only brought about as an official thing in the 1950s when we had to differentiate ourselves from "those godless Commies".

[–] [email protected] 92 points 3 months ago (15 children)

This seems like a good spot for a reminder that Thomas Jefferson edited his own copy of the bible to remove all of the magical/religious elements and left only the philosophical lessons.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 3 months ago (6 children)

And then there was Thomas Payne, who was as close to an overt atheist as you could get in the 18th century without having someone come up behind you and slit your throat.

There's also a long list of great quotes here from the founders-

https://liberalamerica.org/2014/10/27/88-founding-father-quotes-that-will-enrage-the-religious-right/

Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years?

-- John Adams

And he was one of the more religious ones.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

There were many spicy quotes during the Enlightenment -- the founding fathers were reflecting a common sentiment among the educated classes in Europe. Anyone interested in that time period would enjoy Peter Gay's book about it. It's incredibly well-written and much less dry than a book about that subject has any right to be.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

One can be part of the system and recognize its faults.

Yeah, there were some people sort of bucking the system, and probably some closeted atheists, but criticizing the church for its corruption and failures is no different than us doing the same about our government today.

The next line after the quote is:

Upon this system depends The Royalty, Loyalty, and Allegiance of Europe. The Phyal of holy Oyl, with which the Kings of France and England are anointed, is one of the most Splendid and important Events in all the Legends.

So not necessarily an anti-deity statement, but more an acknowledgement that the Church is a system by which European rulers reinforce their power and wealth. The whole letter to Taylor from Adams really rants about the church’s power and attempts to control people’s lives.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I don't disagree. Like I said, Adams was one of the more religious founders. He wasn't anywhere near as extremely anti-religion as people like Madison. But that's why I chose Adams.

If you want a good Madison quote:

What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not.

And then, going back to Franklin, was him suggesting America should be building lighthouses, not churches.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Ah yes, alternate timeline that they add "Mind your business" to the pledge of allegiance instead of fucking "under God".

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago

one nation, mind your business, indivisible...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

that shit always pissed me off so much

[–] merc 11 points 3 months ago

The pledge of allegiance (to a literal flag no less) is really weird. But, the enweirdening was enhanced in the 1950s when the government added "under god" to make the difference from the commies more clear.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

And the national bird a turkey instead of an eagle.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago (2 children)

My coin would read: GO FORTH AND FUCK THYSELF

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

r/NoFap is going to wage a protest!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Omg I forgot that was a thing, I couldn't believe it wasn't trolling, but no some of those people literally believe if they don't whack it they'll have superhuman powers, sounds similar to all the benefits of essential oils (/s) /Rant

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Which is funny because there is a ton of data saying that ejaculation is good for you. And I'm sure most of them aren't having sex that often.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Exactly, sounds like something that would originate from a youth church group lol

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I had a youth pastor back before I was old enough to have started masturbating, and he gathered all the boys 'round one day to talk to us about masturbation, because the previous weeks one of the boys had made a joke about it.

Basically, the consensus at the ~~Denbigh Christian Church~~ was that ejaculation is only sinful if you're lustful. So loving sex between spouses is okay, jerking off is a sin, and wet dream can also be sins, if accompanied by dirty dreams. But the real problem is that ejaculate is, basically, your bodies reserve of energy. If you're constantly cumming, you won't have energy for other things, because your body needs that for shit like thinking, and moving.

Basically, you're wasting calories, I think?

I was 10, and very confused.

ETA: got the church wrong. Can't remember the name of the one with that youth pastor. But the Sunday school teacher at the same church (not DCC, the one I can't remember) told us that Angels hate us, because we have free will and they don't, and if it were up to them, they'd slaughter us in our sleep. They only don't because they're told not to by God.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Better than what my grandmother (who was not the best person) told me when I was very small and taking a bath- "if you keep touching it, a man will come with a scissors and cut it off." Even now more than 40 years later, just typing it kind of freaks me out because it scared me so much.

On the other hand, it never stopped me from masturbating, so I guess she failed there.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I feel like there is a toxic Andrew Tate black hole that has been sucking up incels lately. The whole NoFap, wife should be a virgin, high/low value women shit is starting to get popular in these circles.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Note that Mr. Franklin’s motto meant “Get your shit done” rather than today’s interpretation of “Get the fuck out of my face.”

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Republicans: Clearly Benjamin Franklin was woke, and probably a communist!

(Because this would work against their efforts at book bans, their anti-trans crusade, their general anti-lgbtq+ crusade, their crusade against reproductive autonomy for women, and probably other things that aren't immediately springing to mind.)

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I could be dead wrong, but I actually get the impression this wasn't really meant in the modern colloquial sense of keeping your nose out of other people's affairs, and more in the literal sense of keep on top of your business dealings. Which would make sense, since it was to be printed on money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugio_cent

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Benjamin Franklin distributed a book containing basic first aid, which included which herbs can be used to "restore the menses."

Thats an old timey way of saying inducing an abortion. So you're not that far off from what Republicans would say about him if they were actually educated.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

He was later anti-slavery so yes, many would consider him radical even by today's standards (think of how people feel about prison reform, ask people how they'd fix homelessness or mental health crises, and you'll see a shocking amount of people are 100% fine with slavery)

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (2 children)

How about E PLURIBUS UNUM ? Out of many, one. A good motto for a nation of people, and federated states, working together?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

Sorry but how does that help us virtue signal about how we aren't godless commies?

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago

A motto that many people today should familiarize themselves with.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

It means both "leave other people alone" and "focus on your business" since the US was founded by landowning businessmen.

So slightly better, but not quite as good as "Don't tread on me" would be (if it wasn't currently coopted by fascists).

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

They stole your hyphen, too!

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

what would he say about all the chuds today flying gadsden flags while trying to dictate how everyone lives their life, i wonder..

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