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I hear it in movies so the time. We're going upstate. I went upstate. Etc

I never hear downstate, or similar. Does it just mean going north?

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[–] [email protected] 125 points 8 months ago (6 children)

It's a New York thing to refer to the rural Northern and Western parts of New York State that are not New York City. No one (or at least very very few) outside of New York State uses it to refer to any other place.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Really? Well, I'm from Utica and I never heard anyone use the term "upstate."

[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago

Not in Utica, no. It’s all Albany expression.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

seymour you fucking liar, everyone here calls it upstate new york

[–] prole 6 points 8 months ago

Damn the fidelity of that pic is strangely satisfying

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Anything north of 34th Street is upstate, fight me

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

this really only applies to New York, as New York City is in the bottom little bit of the state’s southern nubbin and the rest of the state is commonly called “Upstate New York” since when people outside the northeast refer to New York, they’re talking about New York City, rather than the state of New York. thus Upstate New York was shortened to Upstate. (it seems to hold that most people i know who grew up in the northeast call New York City “NYC” rather than what i used growing up which was “New York.”

I am an american, I grew up in a state in the south west, no one ever used the term “going upstate” for anything because there was no such place to go.

I guarantee you only see dialog such as this in media set in NYC.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Like others are saying, it is a new york thing. But in general, upstate means further from the city than where the speaker lives. Until you crouse some imaginary line, then downstate means closer to the city. Comonly, but not always, it is used in a derogatory sense. They city people think the upstaters are rural hicks. And the upstaters think the city people couldn't survive outside a city. Source, I grew up in an area that didn't consider itself upstate, but all the city people sure did.

[–] pastermil 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Is it due to the fact NYC is in the southern part of NY?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yes but also when people are telling someone they're from New York they tend to assume the city, so the follow-up answer is for clarification. The state is big and wildly different from NYC

[–] pastermil 4 points 8 months ago

Yeah, I went sightseeing to Niagara Falls, then to Buffalo. They're nothing like NYC.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago (4 children)

A lot of people are saying it's primarily a NY thing, so I'd just chime in to say we use it in PA as well, at least in the Philly area, to refer to the northern parts of the state.

Not much more to it than youre going far enough north to be out of your city's metro area, but staying in the same state. In PA I'd say upstate probably starts around the Poconos. I think new Yorkers kind of tend to use it to refer to the rest of the state, we wouldn't tend to do that here, Central and Western PA are different things than Upstate PA, although there is definitely some overlap and there's not exactly clearly defined borders.

I don't know how many other states use the same terminology, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's pretty common in other largish states with larger population densities in the southern part of the state and lower densities in the north (I don't know off the top of my head which other states that would apply to, maybe it's only PA and NY)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I have never called any part of PA upstate. (Not that it's wrong that you do) Everyone I know calls the northern half of the eastern third of the state "the Northeast" or NEPA. Western PA is the entire western third of the state, and Central PA is for some reason only the southern half of the middle third of the state. I guess maybe the northern half of the middle third could be upstate, but I think I just don't have a word for it.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago

ligma balls gottem lmao

[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I live in Southern California and we don’t really use that phrase around here. I think it’s almost entirely used to refer to basically any area of New York north of NYC.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Yeah, I’ve lived in quite a few different states, but only in NYC do I hear and use “upstate.”

[–] csm10495 25 points 8 months ago (2 children)

A place where people use the phrase steamed hams.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Since a lot of people have upstate, there are some places that have a downstate in the southern part of the state, the best examples I can think of being Illinois and Maine.

It just happens to be that you've heard upstate more because New York City is a lot more depicted in American media.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

Thats what Frodo said to Gaffer when he asked where he was going, "oh, just upshire."

He didn't trick old Proudfeet though, he knew Frodo was weavin porkies.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago

I guess you might be hearing it movies set in New York City, which is in the southern tip of the state of New York. All the other notable cities, the Catskill mountains, Niagara Falls, and other attractions are all further north, or upstate. I wouldn’t be totally surprised if the expression got picked up by a wider crowd to mean “north”.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

In Illinois you might hear "downstate" to refer to anything south of Champaign-Urbana

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Anything south of Kankakee, more like.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

It's common in states that have a lower population center, geographically. I'm in Minnesota, and our Twin Cities are in the southern third of the state.

"Going up north (to the cabin)" is our spin on "upstate", because (for most people) there isn't much of a reason to go much more north than we already do.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It means the Northern part of the state, typically when the state has a North-South cultural divide. It's not exclusive to the US though, I've seen it used in places like Sao Paulo and Lagos before. Anywhere where one locality serves as a drain on the rest will get people to refer to different halves of the place, I guess nobody learned from Athens and Sparta.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Similarly the small town I grew up in had “the other side of the tracks”

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Upstate is used in South Carolina as well, used to refer to the western and more mountainous part of the state. The eastern non-mountainous part of the state is called low-country.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

With the Midlands to mean everything from Rock Hill through Columbia and to Aiken!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

Def depends where you’re at. In Virginia we call upstate Nova (northern VA). In NJ it’s North Jersey (I’m originally from South Jersey) PA is more east west oriented since Philly and Pittsburgh are east and west ends of the state.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

upstate: situated or occurring in the northern part of a state, especially the northern part of New York State as contrasted with New York City. "upstate New York"

[–] kersploosh 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It's a New York thing. That state loosely divides into two regions: New York City to the south, and everything else to the north ("upstate"). I have heard people refer to the New York City area as "downstate" but that term is less common.

Similarly, Manhattan is loosely split into its northern portion (uptown), middle portion (midtown), and southern portion (downtown).

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

In Michigan, there is "downstate" it means heading to the southern part of the state.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Where does the line for this lie? I've lived in Northern LP most of my life and I've never heard it

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

it's very common in the greater NYC area to refer to the rest of the state, esp. the more rural parts (even if a lot of the state does not consider itself "upstate").

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I'm probably wrong, but I think it means somewhere north of the capital city, and maybe it's only used in New York

[–] Corkyskog 21 points 8 months ago (4 children)

You are very wrong. Albany is part of "upstate NY" and Albany is literally the capital city... In NY it means basically anywhere that isn't NYC.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Oh well, I tried. Thanks for clarifying!

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Upstate in NY is literally the entire state other than NYC and Long Island.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

It refers to the northern part of whatever state the speaker happens to be in. It's mostly used by New Yorkers to refer to the more rural part of New York State which is North of New York City.

Downstate is a thing, I guess, but neither upstate nor downstate are used much outside of New York in my experience.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Outside main city? For NY it's any area outside New York City. Like Albany or Rochester.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yes, the northern part of the state. Typically its also far away from major cities into a more rural area.

[–] dead 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Echoing a lot of the people here, I've personally only heard it used in New York state

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