Not being political here, just thinking logically. Isn't it possible for a subgroup of a large group to do X while another subgroup of the same large group does Y?

I'm not sure if these options are mutually exclusive when it comes to large sets of individuals.

This is just logical thinking, I have no statistics and this is not a political stance.

It's okay, presidential immunity allows grabbing pussies.

/s but no joke

We just played the anti-immigrant game in Florida. Harsh legislation passed, they ran away, and fuck me, crops are rotting in the fields.

There were a couple of business owners brave enough to say it out loud on video. "Well, yeah, we wanted this legislation, but just to kinda scare 'em. We didn't think we'd actually lose our workers! Maybe we gotta rethink this whole thing."

Props to those few self-aware SeaWolves. Some are getting it.

If you want slave labor, you gotta put up with slaves living on the plantation.

he immediately started cutting back on immigration

Except he didn't, really. The fucking wall was a joke, not something that would ever actually stop illegal immigrants. If conservatives really wanted to stop illegal immigration, they would go after the employers who hire them - something we will never see.

No space in the square brackets

It literally just comes down to hat[e], and they work backwards from there to find reasons.

Literally every part of conservative ideology.

there is literally no path where they accept the immigrant

I have a coworker who hates undocumented immigrants because (among other reasons) she thinks they're all unvaccinated and thus spreaders of disease. She is also ANTIVAX!

if a job can't feed you, it should not exist...

Derkaderrrr!!!

Damn you JuanGPT and Manuel Diffusion

Der terk er jeeerbs!!!

Damn that was a fine read.

blame the immigrants for pursuing rational self-interest as if it were a moral failing, instilling hatred in part of the working class toward other working class people to garner political support for representatives who pay lip service to anti-immigration policy

^ Tip of the spear right there. Gets votes!

But let's talk real talk. Americans want slaves. I can provide 100 anecdotes, but they all come to the same observation, we want cheap labor. Immigrants provide it and we can't do without it.

And it's not just the "evil capitalists". If a Mexican dude tells me his gang will refloor my living room for $5/hr. per man, I'm all in because I can't afford to pay "real" labor prices. Either they make some money, or no one gets paid and my carpet is rotting.

OK, one anecdote. My wife is Filipina, not a US citizen. Her education in early childhood education is stunning. I've watched countless videos of her private school back home. And I'm screaming, "FFS! Why are we not teaching our children like this?! Why are our teachers not trained like this?!"

She had to quit her job teaching because the airport hotel pays far more. Philippinos are in demand because everyone knows they work hard, don't bitch and are grateful for what they get. LOL, she was hired on the spot, just for walking in the door and asking.

Meanwhile, I make $80K for sitting and sleeping my ass off working for a software dev, from home.

Don't know where I'm going with this. Guess when we Americans say we're a "nation of immigrants", we really mean, "a nation of immigrants who started as slaves and worked their way up the food chain over a generation or two".

Also, throw massive temper tantrum about "crisis at the border," but refuse to do anything about it. If anyone is wondering, the answer is no, the Republicans do not want to make a deal with Biden on border policy; it's way too politically convenient for them to have it both ways.

They want to use it as a campaign talking point and as a political cudgel, while also refusing to do anything about it. Also they can't give Biden anything that might look like a win, no matter how much the American people want it.

Unfortunately they have right wing media on their side so their constituents will never understand the two-faced game they're playing.

It is not uncommon for illegals to obtain someone else's documents for use. $50 and you can have enough of someone's information to claim benefits or get "lawful" employment.

Not everyone who does that uses that information to abuse the system, many don't take benefits or get credit cards to abuse, most just use it to get a job that pays better than cash under the table. They do occasionally need to get new information, I don't think I ever asked what caused the necessity to switch.

Source: Worked along side illegals and formerly associated with connected individuals.

Covid is real and dangerous when they feel like justifying their racism.

Yet Covid "is no big deal" or even "is not real" like you say, as they threw one lazy selfish tantrum after another, refusing to mask up, abusing essential workers.

No idea how that would work. An undocumented person at my mom's work was "borrowing" someone else's identity to get paid. So they were contributing to social security with no way to ever collect on it.

My fiancee works at the welfare office in downtown Pittsburgh, PA. I literally just asked her and she said, "They can potentially get approved for medical assistance if it's an emergency, but they're not going to be able to get something like food stamps as an illegal immigrant." Other states might be different, but that's at least PA.

Here’s a list of all federal benefits that undocumented immigrants are eligible to receive:

https://www.ncsl.org/immigration/federal-benefit-eligibility-for-unauthorized-immigrants

States may or may not have additional programs.

I literally know an elderly lady who is alienated from her family in Europe and lives in California without any papers, money, or a job, and she has her own apartment and makes due somehow.

No I’m not saying she oughta be deported or have her benefits cut or anything (she’s not living a particularly glorious lifestyle, believe me), just answering the question that was asked.

If we were rational ourselves, we would bring our freedom to the countries who's people are fleeing to us for refuge. Mexicans have it so bad that they're running to us? Well clearly we're doing it better than Mexico, so let's clap their leadership and show them what's good, right? I mean fuck. It's better rationale for a war than trying to control some other place for is oil and pretending that's not the case.

Wait till you see the videos of mothers literally chucking their infants/toddlers over the wall, hoping that they will be found by someone on the other side and cared for... in a desert no less. Better dead than having to go back to where they came from, it would seem. Either way they are aware that they will never see them again.

And it gets even weirder when people keep finding literal child slaves, used for both their work product & sex it would seem, up in farms even as far north as Iowa. Oh, and supposedly 80% of the women & girls that cross over are raped as they do. So again, whatever they are running from must be THAT bad, that those mothers are willing to consign their children to that.

But you are right - the USA cannot solve the problems of literally the entire world. Unfortunately things like nuance, subtlety, or even factual information of pretty much any kind, have no place in USA politicking - instead people simply get their pictures taken at the border, then go back home, trying to ignore it as best they can. And then argue about whether or not we want to pay the bill for the things that we've already bought.

Both sides are incredibly messed up, yet not equally so, but fairly bad in their own ways, as such matters simply slip through the cracks, as "more important matters" take precedence, I guess.