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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

these aircraft reflect about as much energy as a bumblebee would.

That is truly amazing.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Do note that the this claim comes from the same people who don't hand out any actual specs and always fly with an additional reflector. The latter makes it easy for radars to see them again. This is helpful in allied airspace, but it also makes it impossible to verify the claim.

Also note that modern radars are sensitive to how fast an object approaches (or leaves) the radar. Bumblebees don't break the soundbarrier usually, so it is possible to see these planes, but you do have to tweak your radar for it. (Hence why the US doesn't give specs.)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

So they just need to build an aircraft that moves at the same speed and height as a bumblebee. Bam ! Undetectable killing machine.

[–] Socsa 5 points 1 year ago

You'd be surprised the velocity you get from the return on a bird's flapping wing. Also the Doppler ambiguity smears with SNR, so you'll see a bird as something moving between 30 and 300mph at the edge of sensitivity.

[–] Peppycito 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This how we get echolocating missiles.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Radar is echolocation with EM waves (low frequency light) instead of sound waves. And there are already plenty of radar guided missiles.

[–] Peppycito 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I meant to put ears on the missile. I'm sure the plane is still plenty loud.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is called passive sonar. I suspect that it is kinda hard to hear from the missile. Anything behind you is certainly not hearable, since the missile goes faster than sound. I have no idea if you could measure the sound coming from the front. You also have to take into account that you are chasing an after image, since the plane is also faster than sound. But torpedoes use this, so the idea is valid.

[–] Peppycito 3 points 1 year ago

Those are likely quite valid points. This being noncredible defense they have no place here.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Put a bat in the missile and let's give Project Orcon another go