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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It doesn't even make sense. Hypersonic missiles are good at being hard to take down themselves. But you don't need that to take down an aircraft. You need super sensitive radar systems, since the claim is that these aircraft reflect about as much energy as a bumblebee would.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

these aircraft reflect about as much energy as a bumblebee would.

That is truly amazing.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Do note that the this claim comes from the same people who don't hand out any actual specs and always fly with an additional reflector. The latter makes it easy for radars to see them again. This is helpful in allied airspace, but it also makes it impossible to verify the claim.

Also note that modern radars are sensitive to how fast an object approaches (or leaves) the radar. Bumblebees don't break the soundbarrier usually, so it is possible to see these planes, but you do have to tweak your radar for it. (Hence why the US doesn't give specs.)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

So they just need to build an aircraft that moves at the same speed and height as a bumblebee. Bam ! Undetectable killing machine.

[–] Socsa 5 points 1 year ago

You'd be surprised the velocity you get from the return on a bird's flapping wing. Also the Doppler ambiguity smears with SNR, so you'll see a bird as something moving between 30 and 300mph at the edge of sensitivity.

[–] Peppycito 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This how we get echolocating missiles.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Radar is echolocation with EM waves (low frequency light) instead of sound waves. And there are already plenty of radar guided missiles.

[–] Peppycito 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I meant to put ears on the missile. I'm sure the plane is still plenty loud.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is called passive sonar. I suspect that it is kinda hard to hear from the missile. Anything behind you is certainly not hearable, since the missile goes faster than sound. I have no idea if you could measure the sound coming from the front. You also have to take into account that you are chasing an after image, since the plane is also faster than sound. But torpedoes use this, so the idea is valid.

[–] Peppycito 3 points 1 year ago

Those are likely quite valid points. This being noncredible defense they have no place here.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Put a bat in the missile and let's give Project Orcon another go

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Buzzwords are all that matters.

Also, too much of a credible point.

[–] Socsa 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most state of the art SAMs are technically hypersonic.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Interesting. I did not know that!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It’s not that impressive… a bumblebee can emit the same small radar signature as well.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the propaganda way of saying "MY DAD CAN BEAT UP YOUR DAD!!!!!"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

And the funny thing is, both op and the newspaper in the screenshot are doing it!

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe fuck yourself.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

How's your mother?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago

OMG, scary news. Time to increase the defense budget again, I guess…

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Hypersonically it goes door-to-door knocking
"Any B-21's here? No, right then. On to the neighbors."

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I worked on the b-2 (has the same tech nearly). If you take a panel off to inspect anything or fix an issue the jet has to go to the paint shop to have the paint re-applied because its most of what makes it stealth. The paint absorbs radar.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The most bat shit insane part of this is the missile absolutely cannot maneuver to intercept at hyper sonic speeds unless it's a nuclear warhead. In which case, yes we know you can down a plane with a nuke.