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Normally, people learn very early in life that aggressive confrontation isn’t the way to win over someone to your beliefs. All it does is make them dismiss what you have to say out of principle and spite. Throw in a weird amount of great leader worship and war crime waiving and you have the average hexgrad user
Sometime in the 2010s -- maybe the 2000s but it got a lot bigger in the 2010s -- a lot of progressives got the idea that being right gave them a license to be as rude as they liked that did not extend to their opponents. It might have come from reasonable ideas like "I should get to be as rude as the dominant group is" and "if white nationalists are finding success by being crude, we should try too", but like all too many progressive ideas it became a way to vent their spleen and fight for social standing among progressive friends.
Yeah it’s really annoying. I even subscribe to many goals of socialism myself, but idolizing two of the most morally bankrupt and dystopian countries this planet has to offer and shitting on anyone who raises an eyebrow is not the way to get there.
If anything the west must create its own flavor of socially liberal socialism with a reasonable amount of commerce and the market, to preserve and capitalize on its core values of equality and freedom. A counterweight to authoritarian right wing overtures all over the world, often even instigated by russian trollfarms.
Sweden was rather like that until 30 years ago, but had a financial crisis and ran out of money to support its welfare system. That's always the problem, isn't it?
I don't have any bright new ideas to make a welfare system that provides as much as people want while being cheap enough to afford during a financial crash. But I hope whoever does gets it implemented.
Mutualism is a good option. It's a free market, non-capitalist system. Unlike the various flavors of communism, it shouldn't be too alien to those that are used to capitalism.
In general rather than focusing on getting the government to spend money on welfare, we should be removing the elements of the system that transfer wealth from the working class to the capitalist class.
Big agree, welfare wouldn't cost nearly as much if people actually got their fair share of the pie.
Well it won’t work in a vacuum and it won’t be for free, but we can’t continue as is either. Capitalism is killing the planet and creating the most jarring inequality this planet has seen since the times of feudal lords.
Depends. Being pleasant to Nazis, for instance, is a waste of energy.
There is that famous black man Daryl Davis that converted over 200 KKK members by being nice to them and talking to them. Dont dismiss it outright
I’m not trying to be rude, but the sum total of all of the charm of everyone in this post’s comments wouldn’t even approach the charisma of Daryl Davis. By and large, attempting to copy Daryl Davis’s example is a terrible decision. Incredible guy.
The lesson here is not that you personally have the power to do this, but that it's possible at all. Many communities have something or someone they don't like collectively, but individually they will make peace. A person is smart, people are dumb.
I just really, really wanted to stress that going about it without training is a terrifying proposition that may get you killed. If I save someone from a beating borne of optimism rather than skill, it’d keep my mind at ease.
Edit: a comment because I am big dumb.
Tolerance is a peace treaty.
Can't reason with someone who doesn't know reason.