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Yeah it’s really annoying. I even subscribe to many goals of socialism myself, but idolizing two of the most morally bankrupt and dystopian countries this planet has to offer and shitting on anyone who raises an eyebrow is not the way to get there.
If anything the west must create its own flavor of socially liberal socialism with a reasonable amount of commerce and the market, to preserve and capitalize on its core values of equality and freedom. A counterweight to authoritarian right wing overtures all over the world, often even instigated by russian trollfarms.
Sweden was rather like that until 30 years ago, but had a financial crisis and ran out of money to support its welfare system. That's always the problem, isn't it?
I don't have any bright new ideas to make a welfare system that provides as much as people want while being cheap enough to afford during a financial crash. But I hope whoever does gets it implemented.
Mutualism is a good option. It's a free market, non-capitalist system. Unlike the various flavors of communism, it shouldn't be too alien to those that are used to capitalism.
In general rather than focusing on getting the government to spend money on welfare, we should be removing the elements of the system that transfer wealth from the working class to the capitalist class.
Big agree, welfare wouldn't cost nearly as much if people actually got their fair share of the pie.
Well it won’t work in a vacuum and it won’t be for free, but we can’t continue as is either. Capitalism is killing the planet and creating the most jarring inequality this planet has seen since the times of feudal lords.