MeanwhileOnGrad

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Meanwhile On Grad


Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!


What is a Tankie?


Alternatively, a detailed blog post about Tankies.

(caution of biased source)


Basic Rules:

Sh.itjust.works Instance rules apply! If you are from other instances, please be mindful of the rules. — Basically, don't be a dick.

Hate-Speech — You should be familiar with this one already; practically all instances have the same rules on hate speech.

Apologia(Using the Modern terminology for Apologia) No Defending, Denying, Justifying, Bolstering, or Differentiating authoritarian acts or endeavours, whether be a Pro-CCP viewpoint, Stalinism, Islamic Terrorism or any variation of Tankie Ideology.

Revisionism — No downplaying or denying atrocities past and present. Calling Tankies shills, foreign/federal agents, or bots also falls under this rule. Extremists exist. They are real. Do not call them shills or fake users as it handwaves their extremism.

Tankies can explain their views but may be criticised or attacked for them. Any slight infraction on the rules above will immediately earn a warning and possibly a ban.

Off-topic Discussion — Do not discuss unrelated topics to the point of derailing the thread. Stay focused on the direct content of the post as opposed to arguing.

You'll be warned if you're violating the instance and community rules. Continuing poor behaviour after being warned will result in a ban or removal of your comments. Bans typically only last 24 hours, but each subsequent infraction will double the amount. Depending on the content, the ban time may be increased. You may request an unban at any time.


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This comment was in response to someone expressing regret about joining .ml if I recall correctly

Edit: I'm convinced all this guy does is camp out in front of his computer and wait for an excuse to abuse what itty bitty power he has.

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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by goat to c/meanwhileongrad
 
 
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On any of the donation threads where it came up and he replied to it, the most he ever did was some half hearted corporate PR "apology" (ironic)

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Source: https://lemmy.ml/post/29579005/18409840

MrKaplan must be absolutely rolling in the dough!/S

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"Libs only vote and think that's enough! You're required to murder people to join the club!"

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And for anyone asking "Why are we boycotting/blocking lemmy.ml?" Here's a quick recap:

Lemmy.ml is an instance run by admins who are hardcore tankies and will enforce their ideology on their instance through various means from allowing (and pushing it themselves) propaganda (Such as Russia being justified in some way to invade Ukraine) and known propaganda outlets (Like RT) to removing content on their instance critical of their favored authoritarian regimes such as Russia or China and even banning users for such speech or speech critical of them if it's off their instance (Just like the Reddit mods of ol!).

If it was just some random instance it would have been defederated from long ago like the rest of the "Tankie Triad" (Hexbear and Lemmygrad), but they've positioned lemmy.ml as the "flagship" instance and abused that position and influence to become large enough to keep other instances from defederating from them.

Which I believe is harmful to the Lemmy-verse's overall growth and outside reputation. I have seen it come up before on Reddit threads (and other testimonials from people who came back and tried it again) that "They tried Lemmy but it was a bunch of tankies and went back to Reddit"

I don't know about you, but I'd prefer Lemmy to not end up with the reputation for being "Tankie Central " or even worse "Voat 2.0".

So if you haven't joined the boycott yet, join today and help us foster a better healthier Lemmy-verse!

You can take a look around here on [email protected] for documentation of it or checkout this list of curated documentation

On bans and censorships:

https://lemmy.world/post/28480760

https://lemmy.world/post/28481615

https://lemmy.world/post/28482147

https://lemmy.world/post/28480936

https://lemmy.world/post/28482273

https://lemmy.world/post/28481272

https://lemmy.world/post/28481064

https://lemmy.world/post/27674360

https://lemmy.world/post/27674117

https://lemmy.world/post/27673934

https://lemmy.world/post/27673724

https://lemmy.world/post/27577337

https://lemmy.world/post/27378634

https://lemmy.world/post/27346630

https://lemmy.world/post/27341283

https://lemmy.world/post/27288224

https://lemmy.world/post/27156418

https://lemmy.world/post/27054157

https://lemmy.world/post/27008261

Allowing altered headlines and permitting known propaganda outlets:

https://lemmy.world/post/28275465

https://lemmy.world/post/27428838

https://lemmy.world/post/27416097

https://lemmy.world/post/27314050

https://lemmy.world/post/27288953

Spreading Russia talking points like the Ukraine invasion just being a "negotiating tactic" !https://lemmy.world/post/27012640

General negative sentiment to other instances who haven't "seen the way" yet: https://lemmy.world/post/27426510

Open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines (head admin)) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415

"concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren't that bad" https://lemmy.world/post/26985447

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/28926892

Hello all, I hope you have been well and I wish I could say the same for myself. I am refraining from being pessimistic in this moment but as it stands I do not feel too good. This has nothing to do with my health or the health of anyone in my family. Although we're all physically well, what happened left me shocked and unable to process everything. Due to the sensitivity of this subject I won’t object if the mods deem it safer for the community to lock this post.

Opening her eyes and then staring into mine, she eased into herself and said “Your aunt told me you were wondering what happened to my sons.” I nodded, mentioning what she said about how her sons had experienced some hardships recently. She looked away and nodded. With a slight smile she looked at me and said “She also said you had your own opinions on the genocide.”

At that point I realized my aunt had communicated my skepticism to her. “I have my own opinion but I would like to hear what you have to tell me if you don't mind.” Still staring at me, she asked, “What do you think happened to them?”

I told her that my assumptions were as follows: the son posted something online that they shouldn’t have, they got detained and were let go within the same month. After taking a sip of tea, the woman looked upwards for a moment and said “I would like you to listen to my story before passing judgement.”

A frown appeared on her face and she swallowed, trying her best to hold back tears. I refilled her tea cup and she nodded, thanking me. With both hands she turned the cup clockwise and then anticlockwise. With her gaze focused on the cup, she began to speak again.

“About a year ago they took my son and imprisoned him. Three men in police uniform came to the door and asked me ‘Where is (son’s name)?’ When I couldn’t answer, they let themselves in and searched my apartment, asking repeatedly where he was. I still couldn’t answer. They went upstairs, found (son’s name), and proceeded to pull him out of his room. He was in a state of panic but from his perspective he saw me with the men and so he cursed me and accused me of bringing them here. I couldn’t deny it. I think he still blames me to this day.”

A tear fell from her eye and left a mark next to her tea cup. I could see she was reliving this story as she was telling it. I wondered how many times she's put herself through this. Was that the first time she recollected these repressed memories or was it a daily routine for her? I felt a deep pain in my chest and swallowed back tears.

Continues here: https://hexbear.net/post/4764090

The user was banned

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Source: https://lemmy.world/post/28830429/16729001

Modlog: https://photon.lemmy.world/modlog?user=9155326

Join the lemmy.ml boycott today! No more posts, comment or upvotes on any comms on the lemmy.ml instance!

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Source: https://lemmy.world/post/28534257/16600167

Modlog: https://photon.lemmy.world/modlog?user=1955057

Join the .ml boycott today and help the Lemmy-verse move on from their toxicity! No posts, comments or upvotes on any comms on the .ml instance!

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Well that was fast lol

At one point I was federated with Hexbear, then they didn't like what I had to say and defederated me. For some reason, when I pointed that out recently, they silently re-federated with me, which meant I was in a position to talk with some of them again.

Pretty much instantly after the refederation, some of them started going hard in the paint on one of my posts, with an "it's all NATO's fault Ukraine got invaded, why is the US doing so much to prevent the Russians from their noble goal of seeking peace in Ukraine" viewpoint. I disagreed. We got to talking, and this happened:

That wasn't actually a mod. My comments were removed only on Hexbear, nowhere else, which I assume means it was an admin doing stuff in a way where it would look like it was a moderator. Also:

Which means no one could see:

It is actually really remarkable how blinkered a view of reality people can create for their users by doing this kind of thing. I think that's a lot of the reason why there are genuine users on these instances that think the types of things that they do: It's partly groupthink (so many people in a majority agreeing so aggressively with one point of view that it must be true), but partly it is just that anyone who disagrees gets cancelled out before what they're saying can really gain any traction. So it looks like the view is unanimous except for weird occasional outliers who never really back up what they're saying.

Anyway, it looks like I am back to not really hearing anything from the Hexbears again. Oh well.

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Source: https://feddit.nl/comment/16897573

Modlog: https://photon.lemmy.world/modlog?user=14038966

Join the .ml boycott today! No posts, comments or upvotes on any comms on the .ml instance!

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Source: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/14025406

Modlog: https://photon.lemmy.world/modlog?user=6120151

Join the .ml boycott today! No posts, comments or upvotes on any comms on the .ml instance!

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Source: https://lemmy.world/comment/16552323

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Source: https://lemm.ee/comment/19815967

Modlog: https://photon.lemmy.world/modlog?user=13418041

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Source: https://lemmy.wtf/comment/14083019

Modlog: https://photon.lemmy.world/modlog?user=7602389

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Source: https://lemmy.world/comment/16552041

Modlog: https://photon.lemmy.world/modlog?user=12113763

Join the .ml boycott today! No posts, comments or upvotes on any comms on the .ml instance!

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Source: https://sopuli.xyz/comment/16089732

Modlog: https://photon.lemmy.world/modlog?user=620924

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