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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't understand the logic here. When the putsch occured and then ignomously fizzled out, I saw Putin as weak for letting Pringles walk out with a (relative) slap on the wrist. Taking Prigo out of the picture was overdue. Obviously, anyone would feel threatened by an semi-autonomous mercenary army, so removing its leadership and breaking it up is just a rational course of action that probably should have been done sooner from that POV

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If they took him out before the deal was made sure, this soon after just shows weakness and a lack of credibility. They did the equivalent to getting into a bar fight, talking it out instead and then in front of every one sucker punching the other guy.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (4 children)

you know you don't have to forcibly try to interpret every event as a sign of Russian weakness

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Truly. The mental gymnastics are impressive sometimes.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They were losing a war to a bunch of tractors and their flagship was sunk by a country without a navy.

It's not Russian weakness, it's Russian stupidity.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Didn’t realize those billions in aid were for tractors.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They stopped Russia with tractors.

Now they're pushing them back with real gear.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Jokerfication: when you kind of pity someone for being this propagandized, but laugh at them because it's pretty funny

jokerfied

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

pushin em back 15 miles is good for you?

Do you know how many people pointlessly died for nothing?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

were? so you admit that Russia is winning?

besides, this is not what this thread is about, go cope to someone who cares

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

No, they were losing to tractors, and Moskva was sunk without a navy.

Now they're getting real gear and training to play.

The only thing Russia ever wins are Darwin awards. Fucking being proud of almost hurting a country a fraction of your size right next door, like the US being proud of conquering Ottawa.

Say hi to those F-16s for me.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Say hi to those F-16s for me

We're literally dumping decades old hardware on them just so we can keep justify buying more F-35s.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I agree.

And I'm fine with this.

We built those to fight evil Russians, they should get their chance.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

We built those to fight evil Russians

data-laughing

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

We built those to fight evil Russians

At what point do you realize that you have transformed into the jingoistic goobers who were cheerleading the Iraq War during the W. years?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

ah, there's the fascist lurking within every liberal. you should follow your leader

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (8 children)

“Evil Russians.” Jesus Christ. As if the West did not rehabilitate European fascists immediately after WW2 and end up on the side of imperialism in every conflict around the world for the rest of the century and beyond. Many of which they themselves instigated. Get a fucking grip.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Say hi to those F-16s for me

I'm sure they'll be just as effective as the Leopards, the ghost of kieyiev will destroy the entire Russian army

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They don't need a ghost of Kyiv, they know the ultimate weakness of all Russians:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/13hcf63/ukrainians_allegedly_dropped_bottles_of_vodka_at/

You guys are going to suffer, and I would feel bad if you hadn't started this whole nightmare.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (16 children)

you guys

farquaad-point the lib cannot comprehend people outside of Russia disagreeing with their world view

[–] can 5 points 1 year ago

Enlighten us then

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fucking being proud of almost hurting a country a fraction of your size right next door, like the US being proud of conquering Ottawa.

Look up the US attack on Grenada

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The US could never conquer Ottowa

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Losing multiple cities to a tiny domestic invading force of mercenaries after completely losing control of said force due to lack of command discipline, and finally only being able to force them to disband by threatening the families of the mercenaries involved isn’t exactly a sign of strength, though, is it? It’s not exactly what we’d expect of a professional modern military.

It would be like if Erik Prince took his Blackwater army and started marching on Washington, capturing towns along the way, and the US army was helpless to stop them until the American government threatened to hunt down and kill the family members of Blackwater mercenaries.

That would be considered unusual, and not really a sign of political or military strength.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)

If Erik Prince marched Blackwater through some American cities and -- instead of sending the U.S. military to start a hot war on its own soil -- American leadership pressured Prince and Blackwater to go home, would you be calling the president weak for not turning Virginia into a battlefield?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

would you be calling the president weak for not turning Virginia into a battlefield?

hexbear emojisside-eye-1

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Putin absolutely couldn't let Prigozhin walk, nobody could have. It's not just about the semi-autonomous mercenary army, if a government lets someone get away with an attempted coup d'état they'd effectively encourage others to give it their best shot as well because there was no effective punishment. Assassination is, well, a very Russian approach to the issue, but every government on this planet would have taken some form of action.

[–] TopRamenBinLaden 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You are absolutely right. The US would have an armed coup leader strung up so fast. Maybe not assassination style, but there would most definitely be a quick trial and execution. If the US government couldn't catch the person, I imagine that assassination would be on the table.

[–] UnlimitedRumination 6 points 1 year ago

I can't tell if this has turned into satire yet or if it needs one more reply to get there

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