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Jokerfication: when you kind of pity someone for being this propagandized, but laugh at them because it's pretty funny
Yes... I am the propagandized one.
Not the rural poor being marched off to die for half the price of a lada they'll never receive for an oligarch's pride.
All I can say is: Please, PLEASE! Make sure they keep marching.
You claim they started with tractors. This is utter nonsense; the AFU started the war as a legitimate military, especially after it took the decade following the Minsk agreements to arm up in anticipation of this war.
You also claim they are pushing Russia back despite the front not moving appreciably in the past year, even during the latest vaunted counteroffensive.
Russia used to call itself the 2nd strongest military on Earth.
Now they're clearly the 2nd strongest military in Ukraine. And they're sliding down.
You might not understand this, but they literally only survived because everyone was terrified of them, 'Crazy Ivan' who snaps and does something stupid.
That illusion SHATTERED with the failure to take Kyiv, it shattered and Europe's fear turned to rage, rage at being intimidated for decades by a clearly broken joke of a power.
Until last year Russia wasn't worth our interest, there was nothing there of value or threat, it was a far away, annoying country but it was someone else's problem.
Now, Europe wants to watch them burn for fun.
If they hadn't invaded Ukraine they would have been able to hold this illusion for decades more while the oligarchs continued to rob the country to deposit into British banks, but now, Russia is a threat that needs to be dealt with.
Fortunately, it's not much of a threat, and this shouldn't take too long, the only reason it's taking this long right now is because we can only help indirectly through Ukraine.
But Russia is stupid, hopefully they'll do something Russian and pick a fight with the rest of NATO, because that's just what they do.
Delusions like this are sending Ukranians to pointless deaths right now.
The worst part is you will never stop to consider the implications of being so wrong on this when the war is finally resolved (with Russia and Ukraine in basically the same territories as now). Instead, you'll toss this one in the "history" pile with Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc., you know, the wars where you tell yourself you would have seen through the propaganda had you witnessed it in real time. Then you'll cheerlead the next war because It's A Good One This Time.
Delusions like "a 3 hour special military operation"?
Yeah, I'm the one with delusions, not the country that's shooting itself in the dick, and literally assassinated several of its citizens in this post without any due process whatsoever.
Yes, you have deluded yourself into thinking Russia said this. I guess reddit said Russia said it, so that's basically the same thing, right?
And tell me more about your thoughts on countries that assassinate their own citizens without due process. What kind of countries do that?
https://time.com/3259699/putin-boast-kiev-2-weeks/
Besides the issue of not being able to verify this was actually said, "if I wanted to I could take Kiev in two weeks" is a lot different from "this entire operation will be over in three hours." "If I wanted to" in fact implies taking Kiev was not a goal, which aligns with it not being officially stated as a goal.
3 hour tour is an old English idiom, I can understand if it's unfamiliar to you.
You put it in quotes and called it a special military op instead of a tour, so it was a little bit obfuscated
Edit: not that you meant to, of course, but it is what it is
As an aside, I think Putin was probably right, but under the condition that he carpet bombs multiple major cities from the first available moment. The war is brutal, but Russia has not been carpet-bombing for a litany of reasons (and it is good that they aren't)
Lmao so now you're claiming Putin was using some old English idiom in a private conversation with a Portuguese politician? Then said politician quoted Putin as saying a different phrase?
Truly wonderful, the mind of a liberal is.
HA. Sometimes I think people forget how time works. That we did not watch russia make these statements in real time and somehow reddit would come into it as if its mere existence is an augment.
So link the statement
Here you go to start:
https://web.archive.org/web/20220308032650/http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67903
Parts to note:
"I would like to emphasise once again that our men and officers are fighting in Ukraine for Russia, for a peaceful life for the citizens of Donbass, and for the denazification and demilitarisation of Ukraine, so that no anti-Russia, which the West has been creating for years right on our border, can threaten us, including with nuclear weapons, as has recently become the case."
And the words "Take Kiev" are to be found...where?
How do you demilitarize a nation? After invading part of it?
Maybe take the capital and force change?
I hope they don't because that would in all likelihood escalate to nuclear war.